10-03-2016, 12:31 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I would advise that no others click on the link as its pure trash and doesn't deserve the traffic.
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Okay I will re-phrase. If you don't watch much hockey but love advanced stats it's a great list. If not it's pure trash.
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I'm not an advanced stat nerd or anything, but it does have value. There are a ton of different factors in this analysis, and I think it bears giving some consideration to.
I think it's actually a really good list for once. That's often not the case with advanced stat analysis articles that I've read in the past.
I think you're dead wrong on this one. I hope it's not just because Monahan was left off the list.
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10-03-2016, 12:53 PM
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#22
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That's just rank anti-intellectualism... Even if you only look at it for tidbits of information like the way Crosby retrieves loose pucks or how Barkov plays in transition it's interesting. PS - Berkshire watches way more hockey than you do, Erick.
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10-03-2016, 12:58 PM
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#23
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Was ready to be pissed that O'Reilly wasn't on the list.
Left pleasantly surprised. 
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10-03-2016, 01:22 PM
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#24
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In the Sin Bin
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Gotta wonder how closely all those posters who take Monahan over Barkov have watched Barkov.
I take Barkov 1st in a redraft of that year.
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10-03-2016, 01:28 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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Does MacKinnon even play center right now?
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10-03-2016, 01:29 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Five-hole
Does MacKinnon even play center right now?
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He's started to and this is supposedly his big breakout year at centre.
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10-03-2016, 01:31 PM
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#27
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by albertGQ
I would take both Mackinnen and Barkov ahead of Monahan too. That's why I was a bit disappointed that Sean's AAV was higher than the other two, even with the extra year.
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It was the future "C" factor.
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10-03-2016, 01:32 PM
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#28
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Five-hole
Does MacKinnon even play center right now?
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Yes, but he finds himself on Duchene's wing sometimes because their center depth (Duchene / MacKinnon / Soderberg) was way better than their wing depth (Landeskog... then Blake Comeau, 39YO Iginla, 36YO Tanguay, etc  )
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10-03-2016, 01:36 PM
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#29
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Gotta wonder how closely all those posters who take Monahan over Barkov have watched Barkov.
I take Barkov 1st in a redraft of that year.
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I realize Barkov was somewhat of a late bloomer having to adjust to the NA game, but he hasn't broken 60 points or 30 goals yet whereas Monahan has already done both. Barkov may be more polished/well rounded of a center but Monahan has hockey IQ that's up there with the best of them. I don't think Barkov has exactly a clear edge on Monahan, at least not yet. And that would be putting a cap on Monahan, which would be silly for a guy that's 21.
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10-03-2016, 01:39 PM
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#30
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If anything, Barkov is a very early bloomer.
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10-03-2016, 01:39 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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This article reads as well as:
"The Top 20 Centers You Never Knew Your Team Needed. Number 17 Will AMAZE You!"
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10-03-2016, 01:42 PM
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#32
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
I realize Barkov was somewhat of a late bloomer having to adjust to the NA game, but he hasn't broken 60 points or 30 goals yet
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This is like saying Gaudreau hasn't broken 80 points or 50 assists yet...
Barkov had 28 goals, 31 assists in 66 games last year. While being on a different, higher tier from Monahan as a defensive player.
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10-03-2016, 01:43 PM
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#33
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The transition stuff is the most interesting as it's not talked about as much nor is it usually compiled in this way. And it might be the single most important part of a top-end center's job (though I guess that depends heavily on the system said C plays in).
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10-03-2016, 01:45 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
I'm not an advanced stat nerd or anything, but it does have value. There are a ton of different factors in this analysis, and I think it bears giving some consideration to.
I think it's actually a really good list for once. That's often not the case with advanced stat analysis articles that I've read in the past.
I think you're dead wrong on this one. I hope it's not just because Monahan was left off the list.
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Agreed. The article clearly states the criteria and unfortunately for Flames fans, Monohan doesn't make the grade. He clearly will/is in the mix but not as it stands now.
Funny how some get so bent on discrediting a list simply because the home town player isn't cherry picked into it.
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10-03-2016, 01:47 PM
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#35
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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My opinion has nothing to do with Monahan's exclusion as I feel he's a little overrated by Flames fans. Some of the rankings are poor regardless.
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10-03-2016, 01:50 PM
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#36
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
My opinion has nothing to do with Monahan's exclusion as I feel he's a little overrated by Flames fans. Some of the rankings are poor regardless.
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Rankings are poor?
Okay, since only you watching allows only you to have a valid opinion.
There were 1230 games played last year. Plus Playoffs.
There were 3690 games played last three years. Plus Playoffs.
There were 6150 games played last five years. Plus Playoffs.
How many did you watch?
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10-03-2016, 01:54 PM
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#37
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
This is like saying Gaudreau hasn't broken 80 points or 50 assists yet...
Barkov had 28 goals, 31 assists in 66 games last year. While being on a different, higher tier from Monahan as a defensive player.
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Oh right, you're the advanced stats guy. I forgot that you know everything, including that which is yet to even unfold like these two young men's respective careers.
He was on a good pace. Let's see how they both fare this season.
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10-03-2016, 01:55 PM
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#38
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There's so many irritating articles coming out all the time that it's understandable that posters don't give them much attention before disregarding them.
Personally I like stats that try to quantify positive plays with the puck, although I can't judge how reliable they are. Rankings are just a convention of sports writing. They give an article easy structure and automatic fuel for debates.
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10-03-2016, 01:57 PM
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#39
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
This is like saying Gaudreau hasn't broken 80 points or 50 assists yet...
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You mean, that they're both true?
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10-03-2016, 02:02 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Five-hole
You mean, that they're both true?
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That they're cherry-picked statements that while technically true are functionally useless.
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