06-16-2016, 12:54 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Well deserved.
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06-16-2016, 12:55 PM
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#22
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Ruttiger
I think you should re-read his post start to finish.
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I have several times, and I don't take any issue with what he said. Kopitar is one of the best centres in the NHL, he has won two Stanley Cups, and is now the captain of his team. He will probably be a first-ballot Hall of Famer when it is all said and done, and that—in my opinion—would qualify him as "one of the all time greats.
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06-16-2016, 01:01 PM
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#23
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I have several times, and I don't take any issue with what he said. Kopitar is one of the best centres in the NHL, he has won two Stanley Cups, and is now the captain of his team. He will probably be a first-ballot Hall of Famer when it is all said and done, and that—in my opinion—would qualify him as "one of the all time greats.
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Your initial response focused on him being a current top 5 centre, while I thought by my wording it was obvious I was disagreeing with the assertion he'd go down as an all-time great.
IMO he may be a hall of famer but first ballot is certainly no slam dunk at this point. I guess I was thinking of all time great centres and I'm not sure I'd put him in that category. We can agree to disagree.
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06-16-2016, 01:01 PM
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#24
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Houston
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
How do most clubs select their captain?
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I'm not too sure about the big leagues, but I know sometimes in junior the coaches/management select C and A's ahead of time but put it up to a "anonymous team vote" and don't read the ballots.
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06-16-2016, 02:22 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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The guy isn't a PPG player over his career. If he has some longevity and hits 1000 points he may enter the HOF but I doubt he's 1st ballot based on his career to date. Good player though and well deserving of the captaincy.
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06-16-2016, 02:27 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
The guy isn't a PPG player over his career. If he has some longevity and hits 1000 points he may enter the HOF but I doubt he's 1st ballot based on his career to date. Good player though and well deserving of the captaincy.
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Basically he's the European Toews. He has been the Kings leading scorer for 9 straight seasons now, just quietly putting up his points. The last time he wasn't their leading scorer was 2006-07 when Cammalleri and Frolov surpassed him.
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06-16-2016, 02:32 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
Basically he's the European Toews. He has been the Kings leading scorer for 9 straight seasons now, just quietly putting up his points. The last time he wasn't their leading scorer was 2006-07 when Cammalleri and Frolov surpassed him.
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He's not as good a player as Eric Lindros who wasn't 1st ballot and still hasn't got in. I don't consider Toews a slam dunk for the HOF based on his stats not being HOF caliber.
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06-16-2016, 02:38 PM
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#28
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
The guy isn't a PPG player over his career. If he has some longevity and hits 1000 points he may enter the HOF but I doubt he's 1st ballot based on his career to date. Good player though and well deserving of the captaincy.
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PPG over the course of a career is a tough standard these days, I'm not sure that's fair. Patick Kane is barely at PPG career to date and he's an elite, pure offensive player. I doubt even he finishes with more points than games played once his golden years get factored in.
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06-16-2016, 02:45 PM
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#29
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I vote for a title change. Kings vote Kopitar Kaptain
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06-16-2016, 02:49 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
He's not as good a player as Eric Lindros who wasn't 1st ballot and still hasn't got in. I don't consider Toews a slam dunk for the HOF based on his stats not being HOF caliber.
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Lindros is not yet in the HHOF because he didn't ever win the Stanley Cup. Had he lead one of those Flyers teams to a championship, I think he would be in. Like it or not the Cup is still a major criterion for induction.
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06-16-2016, 02:54 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Kane will be closer to the standard than Kopitar and Toews. Remember making the HOF is an individual achievement and winning the cup is a team achievement guys like Alexander Mogilny who is a member of the triple gold club is still not in the HOF.
Last edited by Erick Estrada; 06-16-2016 at 02:57 PM.
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06-16-2016, 02:56 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Lindros is not yet in the HHOF because he didn't ever win the Stanley Cup. Had he lead one of those Flyers teams to a championship, I think he would be in. Like it or not the Cup is still a major criterion for induction.
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Winning the cup is not a major criterion. Jarome Igina or Joe Thornton should not be slighted in the least for not winning a cup.
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06-16-2016, 02:59 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleks
I vote for a title change. Kings vote Kopitar Kaptain
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Kings Kapitan Kopitar!
Oh no....
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06-16-2016, 02:59 PM
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#34
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Winning the cup is not a major criterion. Jarome Igina or Joe Thornton should not be slighted in the least for not winning a cup.
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And they won't be because they are among the best players of their generation. But there is plenty of evidence to show that a Stanley Cup win goes a long way towards the induction of lesser players, and that the entry of even exceptional players can be delayed by missing it from one's resume.
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06-16-2016, 03:03 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Kings Kapitan Kopitar!
Oh no....
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06-17-2016, 07:28 AM
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#36
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CMPunk
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May, not March. It was after they were eliminated from the playoffs.
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