[News] Flames recall Ortio

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Joni Ortio totally and completely pooped the bed when given his opportunity. The Flames are trying to win games, should they have given him 5 more games as an audition?

His two game opportunity, what a real solid look.

All the goalies were playing at the same level to start the year.

It's not enough to know. The Flames are done this year, so at this point, yeah, they might as well take a serious look. Saying "we'll know full well he had enough chances" after what is likely to be a couple to a few more starts is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yes, he had 2 this year and he was pretty awful both times. Like much, much worse than either Hiller or Ramo were at that time, and they were playing their worst hockey of their careers.

I've been hoping Ortio would finally figure it out, but if he can't grab the job with the situation that happened to start the year, then I doubt he ever will. He's had problems with the start to seasons, and has often taken multiple weeks to get in game shape. You can't have that in the NHL. Your goalies need to be ready from day 1. It's the same reason I want to move on from both Hiller and Ramo.

He's had moments where he looks like the 2nd coming of Kipper. Then he has moments where he looks like the 2nd coming of "Red Light" Racicot. If he shows up this time around and stinks, he's done as far as I'm concerned.

It's almost like he's looked like a young goalie with little NHL experience.

[SofaProfessor]

It's Hiller's job until he plays a complete turd of a game. Like a 8-1 Oilers-esque nationally televised snuff film. Ortio will likely get some starts on back to back games but I really doubt he will see too much action.

[jar_e]

I think the poll options are pretty ridiculous as it's directly related to how long Ramo is gone for. There's no way Hiller is playing 29 games straight if Ramo is out for the rest of the season.

[Coach]

I like to think we'll see some Ortio action, but I don't think we will.

Also obviously depends on A) how long Ramo is out and B) how well Hiller plays.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by nik-

His two game opportunity, what a real solid look.

All the goalies were playing at the same level to start the year.

Yeah, two games where he looked atrocious. I'll ask again, what should they have done? The Flames are trying to win hockey games, not give a marginal prospect a long audition at the NHL level. Ortio was waived, none of the other 29 teams wanted him for free and he's since been playing poorly in the minors. Hard to understand the other sign of this coin for me.

For a goalie, he's young. Best thing is head back off to Europe for a couple years and try the NHL again then.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Since Ramo has been assigned to the IR, I would suspect that Ortio will get a chance a look doing mop-up duty on Hiller one night, and if he does well there, will get the next start.

It all depends on how Hiller does. If Hiller continues playing well, Hartley will ride him. Hartley rode Ramo pretty hard when he didn't have confidence any longer in Hiller.

If Ramo is out for a month, I would anticipate Ortio gets a couple of games in - if he does well, Hartley will put him in for a couple more, if he does poorly, that is all he will get. Goalies are difficult to work in when a team is still chasing the playoffs.

[Vulcan]

Let him sit on the bench for a couple of weeks until he gets rusty. Than when he stinks we can say, you had your chance.

[Enoch Root]

No chance he plays unless Hiller gets hurt, IMO.

Which is a shame.

People always argue that the coach's job is to win the game. That's true - that's one of his jobs. Probably the main aspect of his job. But he also works for the organization. And developing players is another part of his job.

So is doing things that will help the organization win in the future. Like benching the 3 guys against Toronto. That was not a move that helped him win the game, it was a move that helped the franchise going forward. That was good, and it is part of his job.

But when he benched Nakladal after 1:40 of ice-time, when the team was up 4-1 against the worst team in the league (when you consider their current roster - they iced a $29M payroll last night), he made a huge mistake IMO. Because now, he basically can't play him. He sent a message to Nakladal that, even though we have a 3 goal lead against an AHL team, I don't have enough confidence in you to play you. Now there is no chance he plays for the rest of the call-up.

And now I expect he'll leave Ortio on the bench, and effectively send him the same message.

I am not saying you hand guys ice-time, it has to be earned. But at some point, when the GM brings them onto the team, and you dress them, at some point you have to give them a chance to prove themselves.

If you invite them to the pool, at some point you have to give them the chance to sink or swim.

[Bingo]

How many goaltenders with promise ever get a start? He was given two and didn't get it done. He was bad enough that they didn't have the confidence to give him a longer rope. Add in the reports that he was struggling mightily at practice and he gets sent down.

I don't blame Hartley at all. If you get that chance you have to take it.

You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You're wrong on this. He's been remarkably consistent. You just don't like what he's doing.

Well, no I'm not wrong.

Ferland with the top line.
Wideman playing all season pre-suspension
The goalie mess to start the year
Bennett not getting the PP time for half the year
Colborne...
Mason Raymond getting tons of PP time for the first half .
Healthy scratching Jooris for a spot for Raymond and/or Bollig

And so on...

I don't like what he's doing? Well thanks for being my brain, if you could go ahead and sort out the rest of my life so I don't have to think anymore, that would be awesome!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, two games where he looked atrocious. I'll ask again, what should they have done? The Flames are trying to win hockey games, not give a marginal prospect a long audition at the NHL level. Ortio was waived, none of the other 29 teams wanted him for free and he's since been playing poorly in the minors. Hard to understand the other sign of this coin for me.

For a goalie, he's young. Best thing is head back off to Europe for a couple years and try the NHL again then.

Well all the goalies looked atrocious and continue to have games now that look atrocious. I would have played him more then, but that doesn't matter as it's done. They should play him now, but if they don't and they only play him one game, that's not enough to say definitely yes or no to him being an NHL goalie, which was the claim. In either case of his performance we haven't seen him enough to know.

[Erick Estrada]

This is probably the last time we are going to see him in Calgary unless he gets in a game and goes on a tear which at this point is wishful thinking. That Montreal games was possibly the worst game I have ever seen from a Flames goaltender as the Flames dominated the game yet got bombed on the score sheet.

[lazypucker]

I will have to say, Ortio probably won't get a chance to start until after the trade deadline (if Ramo is out that long). With the Flames "still in the playoff hunt," Hartley will just ride Hiller all the way unless he gives up 5 goals in 8 minutes....

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yes, he had 2 this year and he was pretty awful both times. Like much, much worse than either Hiller or Ramo were at that time, and they were playing their worst hockey of their careers.

I've been hoping Ortio would finally figure it out, but if he can't grab the job with the situation that happened to start the year, then I doubt he ever will. He's had problems with the start to seasons, and has often taken multiple weeks to get in game shape. You can't have that in the NHL. Your goalies need to be ready from day 1. It's the same reason I want to move on from both Hiller and Ramo.

He's had moments where he looks like the 2nd coming of Kipper. Then he has moments where he looks like the 2nd coming of "Red Light" Racicot. If he shows up this time around and stinks, he's done as far as I'm concerned.

His stats were essentially identical to the other two at the time.

And I am not sure that one game, after sitting for over a month while the other two shat the bed over and over, constitutes much of a chance (he was set up to fail).

Not saying he deserved more, just saying he wasn't given much of a chance.

[iggyloob12]

I like this move. Keeping Poulin in Stockton gives them a better chance to win. Ortio will keep the bench warm and not start a game, which of course he hasn't earned.

[FeyWest]

We'll see how he does, it may be one of those strange circumstancesthat for whatever reason they rise to the ocasion and things just "click" I think his poor performance earlier on was due in part to the 3-headed monster, I think now that there is more certainty for him to stick he may settle down a bit and not play nervously. One can hope!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by nik-

You really think he'll get enough chances to answer that question? I don't think there's a chance he gets that many.

He had two this year, and he might get two more. That's not enough to prove or disprove anything, especially with a young goalie.

Comments like this make me believe that people don't get he plays games in the AHL. Complaining about the "opportunities" he's getting at the NHL level when he's crapping the bed in the AHL make no sense.

Why should he get more than a couple of games to prove himself in the NHL when he's not making anything out of his AHL starts. That logic suggests we need to call up every player from Stockton at some point and give them a bunch of games at the NHL level "just in case". You earn your NHL opportunities, and that starts in the AHL. Ortio hasn't earned a sniff this year IMO, but because of injuries and some really bad NHL goaltending from Hiller and Ramo, he might just get another whiff that he hasn't earned, hopefully he makes the most of it.

[Stealth22]

Stupid question... Will Ortio have to go through waivers if we want to send him down again?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Stealth22

Stupid question... Will Ortio have to go through waivers if we want to send him down again?

Was going to say yes, but now I'm second guessing myself so nevermind. Nothing to see here.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

His stats were essentially identical to the other two at the time.

And I am not sure that one game, after sitting for over a month while the other two shat the bed over and over, constitutes much of a chance (he was set up to fail).

Not saying he deserved more, just saying he wasn't given much of a chance.

Aside from the stats though I guess he was getting just lit up in practice. It looked bad.

And don't get me wrong, I was as disappointed as anyone not named Ortio. I really thought he was going to be the guy this season and fit like a glove with the young core.

Without him I'm a little worried on the goaltending front over the next 5 years.