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Toonage · 10-23-2015, 10:55 AM

I think a player like Bollig is ideal to have around at playoff time when you need grit and veteran savvy from someone who at least has been through the grind. He proved his worth last spring I thought by stepping up when the team needed him. As far as being an everyday player? He should sit more than he plays.

Street Pharmacist · 10-23-2015, 11:01 AM

And what should he or Engelland have done there exactly? Take a penalty? Put the team down a man early? Ooh boy, that Ovechkin sure would've learned his lesson and scored on the PP.

Ashasx · 10-23-2015, 11:09 AM

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There's a lot of players I can't see being apart of that championship build.

Ramo, Hiller, Raymond, Jones, Stajan, Engelland, Bollig, Backlund and Colborne.

One of these things is not like the others.

northcrunk · 10-23-2015, 11:50 AM

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And what should he or Engelland have done there exactly? Take a penalty? Put the team down a man early? Ooh boy, that Ovechkin sure would've learned his lesson and scored on the PP.

You take the penalty to send a message. It wasn't game 7 of the cup final. Send the message you will not put up with that disrespect. Ovi can't score if he is being tended to by the medical team for a broken nose.

Gaskal · 10-23-2015, 12:09 PM

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You take the penalty to send a message. It wasn't game 7 of the cup final. Send the message you will not put up with that disrespect. Ovi can't score if he is being tended to by the medical team for a broken nose.

Yeah Ovi would fight back. 5 min of Engelland in box + 5 min of Ovi in box: profit!

Street Pharmacist · 10-23-2015, 12:16 PM

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You take the penalty to send a message. It wasn't game 7 of the cup final. Send the message you will not put up with that disrespect. Ovi can't score if he is being tended to by the medical team for a broken nose.

No, but if that's the case, they have 5 minutes to score. Then they'll do that again next time and spend the 5 minutes scoring

CroFlames · 10-23-2015, 12:42 PM

All someone had to do was give him a bump or push or shove. Just something to send a message. A ref would not penalize a player if he shoved Ovi for doing the fake deke on the goalie.

In fact, the refs may have got together and given Ovi two for unsportsmanlike.

heep223 · 10-23-2015, 12:57 PM

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I don't get that some people are calling the Ramo signing a failure. It seems it's didn't work out as planned, but the original signing was an insurance policy, right? As has been mentioned if Hiller gets injured what do you do then?

At the time it was the right call, just turns out the insurance isn't (yet) needed.

It may have sewered the season.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-23-2015, 01:04 PM

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It may have sewered the season.

Not a chance. If the 3 headed goalie situation was enough to create the results we've seen to date, it was just a matter of time before something sent this team off kilter. If the team honestly simply didn't cope with a less than ideal goaltending situation and it resulted in this type of outcome they simply aren't good enough.

heep223 · 10-23-2015, 01:12 PM

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Not a chance. If the 3 headed goalie situation was enough to create the results we've seen to date, it was just a matter of time before something sent this team off kilter. If the team honestly simply didn't cope with a less than ideal goaltending situation and it resulted in this type of outcome they simply aren't good enough.

Last season our goaltending was outstanding over the first 10 games, giving the team confidence and time to sort out their warts. Then the goalies came back down to earth and the team was gelling.

This season the goaltending has been atrocious and a distraction, sucking the confidence out of the team and leading to the worst start in franchise history.

I get what you're saying about the situation showing team fragility that would've happened anyway, but we really don't know that. If last season the Flames goaltending was this bad to start out, you could have made that same argument that "well if they are this fragile, they would have fallen apart anyways".

Signing Ramo was certainly a mistake and a major factor as to why the Flames are 1-5. That is on Treliving and he is taking accountability for it.

Yoho · 10-23-2015, 01:43 PM

Us having 15 shots per game might have a hand in it as well.

SuperMatt18 · 10-23-2015, 02:02 PM

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One of these things is not like the others.

I kind of a agree, and like Backlund, but feel like he's not completely wrong here.

I feel like Backlund may end up being one of those guys we move in a package to truly upgrade a different position on the team.

Lanny_McDonald · 10-23-2015, 02:07 PM

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It may have sewered the season.

Yeah, because The Shooter Turor's .867 S% is so much superior to Ramo's .879. All Ramo's fault.

heep223 · 10-23-2015, 02:14 PM

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Yeah, because The Shooter Turor's .867 S% is so much superior to Ramo's .879. All Ramo's fault.

You don't think it's possible that the whole situation has resulted in a distraction for the goalies, and led to a loss in confidence?

Street Pharmacist · 10-23-2015, 02:20 PM

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It may have sewered the season.

You don't think having the third fewest shots on goal per game might be the culprit?

Goaltending is the largest factor, but it's most definitely not the only one

Lanny_McDonald · 10-23-2015, 02:21 PM

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You don't think it's possible that the whole situation has resulted in a distraction for the goalies, and led to a loss in confidence?

Sure, but its more likely the team has come out unprepared and played like #### in front of the goaltenders. The team has been brutal, not just the goaltenders. Of the goaltenders Ramp has faced the toughest go but still turned in better performances. Not good performances, but better ones. The team should be embarrassed.

GranteedEV · 10-23-2015, 02:22 PM

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Yeah, because The Shooter Turor's .867 S% is so much superior to Ramo's .879. All Ramo's fault.

Will you freakin' drop this shooter tutor crap? The guy is tied for the 10th best RegularSeason+Playoffs save percentage among goaltenders who've played 18,000 minutes since 2008. That's tied with Jonathan Quick (2012/2014 Cups) and higher than:

Mikka Kiprusoff
Mike Smith (2012 WCF)
Marc-Andre Fleury (2009 Cup)
Antti Niemi (2010 Cup)
Kari Lehtonen
Steve Mason

His shot shot quality adjusted save percentage is even better - 6th best among the 22 goaltenders in that group, ahead of guys like Corey Crawford (2013/2015 Cups) and Pekka Rinne.

Yes, we all know Jonas Hiller drops to his knees early and gets burned top shelf. But he also stops a crap ton of shots down low and still has a good glove hand and led this team in save percentage last year. He can win hockey games. He can win playoff series. He's not perfect but no goaltender is and style points don't get you anything. He also flat out stole us the game against the Canucks.

This shooter tutor crap has gotten nothing short of obnoxious. I'm not even a Hiller fan, I only had "Move Jonas Hiller" in my sig for the entire summer. But he's a still perfectly good-enough goaltender.

Street Pharmacist · 10-23-2015, 02:34 PM

Hiller has not been good this year full stop. He has consistently shown he's a good starter in this league by every metric.

heep223 · 10-23-2015, 02:34 PM

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You don't think having the third fewest shots on goal per game might be the culprit?

Goaltending is the largest factor, but it's most definitely not the only one

Agreed. It's kind of a chicken or egg thing I guess.

I still maintain that signing Ramo was a big mistake, not a long term one thank god but one that is a significant contributor to a terrible start which may lead to a terrible year (though I don't think this will be the case).

There's plenty of 1B goalies with NHL experience they could have quickly signed if Hiller got hurt.

Let me put it a different way. The mistake wasn't in signing Ramo per se, I favour Hiller slightly but also don't mind Ramo. It was retaining both Hiller and Ramo to start the year when they knew they couldn't waive Ortio. I understand Tre likely was trying to trade Hiller but it's still a big mistake.

Street Pharmacist · 10-23-2015, 02:54 PM

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Agreed. It's kind of a chicken or egg thing I guess.

I still maintain that signing Ramo was a big mistake, not a long term one thank god but one that is a significant contributor to a terrible start which may lead to a terrible year (though I don't think this will be the case).

There's plenty of 1B goalies with NHL experience they could have quickly signed if Hiller got hurt.

Let me put it a different way. The mistake wasn't in signing Ramo per se, I favour Hiller slightly but also don't mind Ramo. It was retaining both Hiller and Ramo to start the year when they knew they couldn't waive Ortio. I understand Tre likely was trying to trade Hiller but it's still a big mistake.

I'm not sure. I don't think the three Goalie thing affected the team. Bad goaltending was the problem whether we had 1 or 30 goalies. Defensive lapses and inability to get shots off are certainly concerning too.

The only thing having the extra Goalie affects is losing a roster spot, and its too early for that to have been a problem