Summer 2015 Prospect Ranking - Round 20

[cral12]

Thought I'd go with Rafikov here, but changed mind to Mangiapane

[Finger Cookin]

I love ricardow's logic.

"Don't overlook Sieloff, because even though he's had a rough 2 years, he he played well before that. But **** Kylington, because even though 2 years ago he played well, he's had a rough 2 years since then."

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I love ricardow's logic.

"Don't overlook Sieloff, because even though he's had a rough 2 years, he he played well against men before that. But **** Kylington, because even though 2 years ago he played well against men, he's had a rough 2 years since then."

Sieloff never played against men until the AHL.

[transplant99]

Ive been voting Sieloff for about 10 rounds now.

He is the forgotten guy among this fan base and its understandable.

I still think he is our best D prospect after Hickey and will surprise many. He brings tangible qualities that most of the rest don't possess and has already made the NHL team once, before a series of unfortunate occurrences derailed him.

He is only 21 and missed an entire year of development recently that he is just now getting back.

I wont be surprised if he is on the NHL roster permanently by seasons end, next year at the latest.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Sieloff never played against men until the AHL.

Thanks, corrected the fuzzy ricardow logic.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I love ricardow's logic.

"Don't overlook Sieloff, because even though he's had a rough 2 years, he he played well before that. But **** Kylington, because even though 2 years ago he played well, he's had a rough 2 years since then."

Kylington had a rough half a year, not two.

[mikephoen]

I'll never understand what people saw/see in Seiloff. Zero offensive ability and not big enough to play the physical style that got him drafted.

In my opinion a complete waste of a draft pick. Why even draft a guy whose upside is #6 defenseman. You can pick one of those guys up for close to league minimum every year in free agency. Heck, you can invite two or three of them to camp on PTOs and pick the best of the bunch and commit nothing to them until they prove something.

Sieloff has only played 157 games total (including playoffs) in any league in the last 5 years. That's simply not enough games during the most crucial formative years for him to ever get to the next level. If his body holds up he can maybe be a career AHLer or play in Europe.

Maybe I'm the one completely out to lunch on this guy, but I just don't get it. He has had a ton of support on CP over the years, but I sure can't figure out what people like about him. Other than the prospects who've left for careers in Europe (Billins and Wolf), he'll be at the last guy I vote for.


I hope I'm wrong and he has a great year though!

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I'll never understand what people saw/see in Seiloff. Zero offensive ability and not big enough to play the physical style that got him drafted.

In my opinion a complete waste of a draft pick. Why even draft a guy whose upside is #6 defenseman. You can pick one of those guys up for close to league minimum every year in free agency. Heck, you can invite two or three of them to camp on PTOs and pick the best of the bunch and commit nothing to them until they prove something.

Sieloff has only played 157 games total (including playoffs) in any league in the last 5 years. That's simply not enough games during the most crucial formative years for him to ever get to the next level. If his body holds up he can maybe be a career AHLer or play in Europe.

Maybe I'm the one completely out to lunch on this guy, but I just don't get it. He has had a ton of support on CP over the years, but I sure can't figure out what people like about him. Other than the prospects who've left for careers in Europe (Billins and Wolf), he'll be at the last guy I vote for.


I hope I'm wrong and he has a great year though!

I keep seeing people say he's not big enough to play that physical style, and I really don't get it. He's 6'1" and built like a running back, and consistently in the top-end on the physical testing. He had a few freak incidents that made him miss a large amount of playing time, but I hardly think that makes him fragile.

[CroFlames]

NOT Rafikov because of his apparent reluctance to come to America.

Sieloff for me. The kid had so much potential, and I think it's still there.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I'll never understand what people saw/see in Seiloff. Zero offensive ability and not big enough to play the physical style that got him drafted.

In my opinion a complete waste of a draft pick. Why even draft a guy whose upside is #6 defenseman. You can pick one of those guys up for close to league minimum every year in free agency. Heck, you can invite two or three of them to camp on PTOs and pick the best of the bunch and commit nothing to them until they prove something.

Sieloff has only played 157 games total (including playoffs) in any league in the last 5 years. That's simply not enough games during the most crucial formative years for him to ever get to the next level. If his body holds up he can maybe be a career AHLer or play in Europe.

Maybe I'm the one completely out to lunch on this guy, but I just don't get it. He has had a ton of support on CP over the years, but I sure can't figure out what people like about him. Other than the prospects who've left for careers in Europe (Billins and Wolf), he'll be at the last guy I vote for.


I hope I'm wrong and he has a great year though!

I'm a Sieloff supporter, (see above post). I had no clue he only played that many games though so that does put things into perspective.

Although I don't think there's a ton of support on CP for him. Heck, he's not even making top 20.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm a Sieloff supporter, (see above post). I had no clue he only played that many games though so that does put things into perspective.

Although I don't think there's a ton of support on CP for him. Heck, he's not even making top 20.

To be fair, there's a couple things to consider. In 2013, Sieloff was ranked 7th amongst all our prospects above both Poirier and Klimchuk, despite playing one shortened season in junior. People were largely basing the ranking on his potential and how well he fared in a higher league (OHL). Then even after a disastrous year health-wise (missed nearly entire year), Sieloff was still ranked 12th in 2014 ahead of Arnold, Ferland, Kulak, Agostino, Smith, McDonald, Culkin, and Hickey. There are 8 players right there that leapfrogged him in their development. Sieloff had an average year at best in Adirondack, and didn't inspire the coaching staff to even play him full time. Add to that the continued strong drafting of the Flames even this year with Kylington and Andersson, and there is little reason to have Sieloff ahead of just about anyone on this list so far.

That being said, it is still possible for him to get his career back on track in terms of development, but he has to stay healthy and get himself some game time. If he can't manage that, I doubt he gets another contract.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

To be fair, there's a couple things to consider. In 2013, Sieloff was ranked 7th amongst all our prospects above both Poirier and Klimchuk, despite playing one shortened season in junior. People were largely basing the ranking on his potential and how well he fared in a higher league (OHL). Then even after a disastrous year health-wise (missed nearly entire year), Sieloff was still ranked 12th in 2014 ahead of Arnold, Ferland, Kulak, Agostino, Smith, McDonald, Culkin, and Hickey. There are 8 players right there that leapfrogged him in their development. Sieloff had an average year at best in Adirondack, and didn't inspire the coaching staff to even play him full time. Add to that the continued strong drafting of the Flames even this year with Kylington and Andersson, and there is little reason to have Sieloff ahead of just about anyone on this list so far.

That being said, it is still possible for him to get his career back on track in terms of development, but he has to stay healthy and get himself some game time. If he can't manage that, I doubt he gets another contract.

I don't remember Sieloff doing that great in the OHL. He found out that if he wants to go around throwing big hits, he needs to back it up and drop his gloves and he wasn't so great at that. My take with him has been about the same as mikephoen's although not as drastic as he could still make a career in the NHL although his odds aren't good.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

NOT Rafikov because of his apparent reluctance to come to America.

I keep seeing this, but where is it coming from? If i recall correctly he was under contract in Russia. Imo management likely sees him playing in Russia for a couple years as a good place for him to develop for a few years while we have no better place to put him. I think until he is a couple years older and can compete for a higher spot in the ahl and be on the radar for a call up, that the Flames won't be concerned with him not being over here.

I think this stigma is continually over blown, and him not coming to NA is not a concern for me at all. If he continues to progress and looks to be a potential piece then the flames will get him over. Let him grow and go from there.