1 dead, 6 others injured at NYE shooting + 1 dead elsewhere - Somali connection

[nik-]

That would be incredible if no one died. Lets hope.

[killer_carlson]

If they were new to the country (new Canadians, refugee claimaints, etc) who came from a country where the police were fundamentally corrupt, it may well explain why there is little cooperation with the police investigation thus far.

It legitimately takes some people time to learn to trust institutions such as the police and government when their only life experience is that they are corrupt.

[psicodude]

Looks like he died this afternoon.


Global Calgary ‏@GlobalCalgary 1 minute ago
UPDATE: Police confirm 1 dead, multiple injured in #yyc house shooting

[Drury18]

About an hour ago Global was reporting that he was alive, but brain dead and being kept alive on machines.

It sounded like it was very grim at that point.

So sad and senseless.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

hmmm, curious why this had to be reported, but i suppose the ethnicity of the folks involved just had to be...

Same thing happened with the mass murder in Edmonton a few days ago. Media was quick to report that all victims and the murderer were from the Vietnamese community.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Same thing happened with the mass murder in Edmonton a few days ago. Media was quick to report that all victims and the murderer were from the Vietnamese community.

Well one of the scenes was a Vietnamese restaurant ... so I think a lot of people were assuming anyway.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

hmmm, curious why this had to be reported, but i suppose the ethnicity of the folks involved just had to be...

Are you seriously insinuating that it is racist to report that all the people in the shooting were from the same ethnic community? Does it not seem like an interesting coincidence that they were all Somalian? They could all be Russian. Would that be racist to report, or is it only racist when they're not white?

When 6 or 7 people get shot at a house party, and they're all from a specific community, it is part of the facts. It is part of the clues. It is relevant information. It doesn't matter if they're Somali, Finnish, or Japanese... It's information that is very unlikely a coincidence, and very likely part of the motive. So if anyone's racist around here, it's the killer, not the reporter.

[chemgear]

Abdullahi Ahmed's death in Calgary shooting worries Toronto Somalis

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...alis-1.2888266

A Toronto mother has travelled to Calgary where her son Abdullahi Ahmed, 26, was slain in an early-morning New Year's shooting that sent six other people to hospital.
Ahmed left Toronto for Calgary six years ago.

News of his death spread quickly through Toronto's Somali community.

"My reaction is one of sadness," said Ahmed Hussein, national president of the Canadian Somali Congress.

He said Toronto's Somali community is worried about the shooting given the history of young men from his community who get hurt or are killed in Alberta gang violence.


"In the past there were the deaths of over three dozen Canadian-Somali males in Alberta," Hussein told CBC News. "This had continued from 2008 to 2011."


It's not yet clear if the New Year's Day shooting in Calgary was gang-related.

[Ozy_Flame]

Dude was shot in the forehead. It's remarkable he lasted that long, must have been tough as nails to survive as long as he did.

[united]

Originally Posted by Slava

There have been quite a number of Somalis killed in the last few years IIRC. I think there was an article on that topic because of the numbers involved. I understand that bringing ethnicity or race into these matters is delicate, but if its part of the motive or story then its understandable.

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

If they were new to the country (new Canadians, refugee claimaints, etc) who came from a country where the police were fundamentally corrupt, it may well explain why there is little cooperation with the police investigation thus far.

It legitimately takes some people time to learn to trust institutions such as the police and government when their only life experience is that they are corrupt.

A gang with many Somalian members has been increasing its profile in Calgary in the last few years, many with connections to Toronto's Somalian gangs. I have no information if this was gang-related or not, but I wouldn't be surprised. Gang links would explain the lack of cooperating witnesses.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by keenan87

This is getting crazy. There is something going on all the time now and its at the point where I no longer attend house parties. Something needs to be done.

Hoping for a speedy recovery for all whom are involved.

This seems to be a very extreme and life limiting response. Enjoy your life man, go do the things you want to and don't live in fear of things you can't control and won't likely happen (I say that and realize I need to also heed my own advice when it comes to other things).

Most of the time when these things happen, they aren't random and are often occurring with people who are participating or associating with bad folks or activities. I'm not saying that was the case in this situation, obviously sometimes these things happen when that's not the case, as we so unfortunately found out in our community very recently. But still unless you are associating with some negative crap, I'd say be smart about who's parties you attend and just go out and enjoy yourself when that's what you want to do.

[shermanator]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

This seems to be a very extreme and life limiting response. Enjoy your life man, go do the things you want to and don't live in fear of things you can't control and won't likely happen (I say that and realize I need to also heed my own advice when it comes to other things).

Most of the time when these things happen, they aren't random and are often occurring with people who are participating or associating with bad folks or activities. I'm not saying that was the case in this situation, obviously sometimes these things happen when that's not the case, as we so unfortunately found out in our community very recently. But still unless you are associating with some negative crap, I'd say be smart about who's parties you attend and just go out and enjoy yourself when that's what you want to do.

To further support CSW's argument, the man who was killed was convicted in 2013 of assault and had multiple convictions for drug possession. It seems that more often than not those who are murdered are involved in some shady business to begin with. Not the case for all murders, but for many.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/01/02...-drugs-assault

[chemgear]

Another shooting the day after.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...days-1.2888923

On Thursday, Abdullahi Ahmed, 26, was killed after a shooting at a southwest Calgary house party that left one person dead and injured six others. On Friday morning, Calgary police responded to a call of gunshots in the northwest community of Rosedale and found a man dead in an alley.

CBC has confirmed that the Rosedale shooting victim was Murad Omar, 23.

According to court records, Omar had a criminal history that included convictions for assault with a weapon, uttering threats and breach of probation.

Calgary police do not believe the two incidents are related at this time. But during a press conference Friday they said "they are keeping an open mind."

[Byrns]

2 criminals of Somalian descent killed within hours of each other by unknown suspects. How can the police make a statement saying it's unrelated. Seems pretty related to me.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Byrns

2 criminals of Somalian descent killed within hours of each other by unknown suspects. How can the police make a statement saying it's unrelated. Seems pretty related to me.

Their job is not to jump to conclusions like we can and make statements based on facts that they have discovered through the investigation process. So that is how they can make those statements because they're not allowed to speculate and will only announce things as they become fact.

[Ozy_Flame]

Remember when it was Vietnamese gang members killing each other in the 2000s? Pretty much all of the ones the media made noise about all had criminal records too. Gang and/or drug related.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Their job is not to jump to conclusions like we can and make statements based on facts that they have discovered through the investigation process. So that is how they can make those statements because they're not allowed to speculate and will only announce things as they become fact.

I'd have to agree there. And you'd probably want to have a better handle on the suspects/motive before publicly confirming that they're related in any official police capacity.

Originally Posted by Byrns

2 criminals of Somalian descent killed within hours of each other by unknown suspects. How can the police make a statement saying it's unrelated. Seems pretty related to me.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by chemgear

According to court records, Omar had a criminal history that included convictions for assault with a weapon, uttering threats and breach of probation.

He would most likely be alive had he not got a slap on the wrist for these offenses, how about five years for possession of a handgun, 10 years if you use it in another crime and if you're an immigrant as soon as you get out...cya.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by T@T

He would most likely be alive had he not got a slap on the wrist for these offenses, how about five years for possession of a handgun, 10 years if you use it in another crime and if you're an immigrant as soon as you get out...cya.

Not sure where the assumption is coming from that he used a firearm in the assault he was convicted of.

Either way, mandatory minimums for firearms offenses were already ruled unconstitutional by the Ontario court. Having a mandatory minimum for firearms offenses is unreasonable, since they can run a pretty large gamut.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by T@T

He would most likely be alive had he not got a slap on the wrist for these offenses, how about five years for possession of a handgun, 10 years if you use it in another crime and if you're an immigrant as soon as you get out...cya.

Can't send them back to Somalia because it's a country at civil war. So either throw him in prison and our taxes pay for him or give him a slap on the wrist and let him walk freely.

Sending them back would sure sort them out