[News] Sabres to retire Hasek's number

[GGG]

Who makes the best ever list: brodeur, roy, hasek, then the guys before my time like sawchuk, dryden.

Hasek had the best peak but not the longevity. His teams both international and Buffalo played styfling defensive hockey in the dead puck era which inflate his numbers. That said those 8 years that he won 6 vezinas were untouched.

I dont know but I put Roy and Brodeur ahead based on longevity. I also have Gretzkey over Lemieux and Orr so I think the Goat disussions that it is about more than the peak performance. Definately in the top 3 post expansion and the order of those three doesnt really matter.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by codynw

It's not a debate. Hasek was the best.

The fact that several people are debating whether he was the best does actually make it a debate.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by GGG

Who makes the best ever list: brodeur, roy, hasek, then the guys before my time like sawchuk, dryden.

Hasek had the best peak but not the longevity. His teams both international and Buffalo played styfling defensive hockey in the dead puck era which inflate his numbers. That said those 8 years that he won 6 vezinas were untouched.

I dont know but I put Roy and Brodeur ahead based on longevity. I also have Gretzkey over Lemieux and Orr so I think the Goat disussions that it is about more than the peak performance. Definately in the top 3 post expansion and the order of those three doesnt really matter.

I personally have Ken Dryden #1, short career but IMO a better peak than Hasek. In 8 seasons he won 5 Vezina Trophies, 6 Stanley Cups, 1 Conn Smythe, 1 Calder (after he won the Conn Smythe!)

[SHOGUN]

Hasek is the best because his style was so unique and dominated while not being the prototypical butterfly goalie.

[sun]

I feel like Hasek played in front of ####tier teams for the most part than those other guys.

If he came over five years earlier, there would be no doubt IMO.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Best goalie of all time.

Nice try.......

Career Regular Season Stats: 437-246-145, 82 SO, 2.38 GAA

Career Playoff Stats: 71-36, 14 SO, 2.14 GAA

Teams: Montreal Canadiens (1952-1963), New York Rangers (1963-1965), St. Louis Blues (1968-1970), Toronto Maple Leafs (1970-1972), Boston Bruins (1972-1973)

Accolades: First Team All-Star (1956, 1959, 1962), Second Team All-Star (1957, 1958, 1960, 1971), Hart Memorial Trophy (1962), Vezina Trophy (1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1969)

Plante is well known for his role on the late 1950's Montreal Canadiens dynasty and for popularizing the wearing of a goalie mask. Plante was the first goalie to regularly come out his crease to play the puck and stop it behind the net for his defensemen.

Plante's stand up style emphasized positional play and cutting down the angle, he was a pioneer in regards to how the goalies played the game. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1978.

[SHOGUN]

Originally Posted by Dion

Nice try.......

Hasek at his peak carried a terrible Buffalo team.

Plante.. looks like he played on dynasty teams for many seasons.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Dion

Nice try.......

It is always tough to make comparisons across eras, but with how the game has evolved, with how professional sports has evolved, it is difficult not to argue that players in the modern generation are by circumstances better than in the original six era. They are all faster, better trained, more fit, and the game is so much more difficult now with an unprecedented level of parity.

All that to say I think that Hasek, Roy, and Brodeur are the top three of all time. Hasek was probably the best of them all, but suffered for who he played for for all those years in Buffalo.

[Geeoff]

I don't know about any of those olde tyme goalies but Hasek's 1998 was the most dominant calendar year I've seen from any player, let alone goalie. If his name was Donald Harris, from Windsor, ON, there'd be much less debate about his position all-time IMO.

[$ven27]

1.Hasek
2.Roy
3.Dryden


4.Brodeur

IMO

[OutOfTheCube]

Also the only goalie to win multiple Hart trophies -- extremely difficult for any player to do, let alone a goalie.

Certainly the most talented player to ever wear the jersey, a well deserved retirement. I'll see if I can get there for that night!

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Flamesguy_SJ

Hasek is the reason I became a hockey fan after the 1998 Olympics. I was obsessed with him and the Sabres, and distinctly recall when Joe Juneau scored in OT to eliminate Buffalo from the playoffs that year against Washington. I was really happy to see him finally get his Cup with Detroit in 2003.

Well deserved, and when I think about it, it's a wonder it hadn't happened sooner.

So how'd you become a Flames fan?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GGG

Who makes the best ever list: brodeur, roy, hasek, then the guys before my time like sawchuk, dryden.

Hasek had the best peak but not the longevity. His teams both international and Buffalo played styfling defensive hockey in the dead puck era which inflate his numbers. That said those 8 years that he won 6 vezinas were untouched.

I dont know but I put Roy and Brodeur ahead based on longevity. I also have Gretzkey over Lemieux and Orr so I think the Goat disussions that it is about more than the peak performance. Definately in the top 3 post expansion and the order of those three doesnt really matter.

That mostly covers it. I would add Tretiak and probably Plante.

Then you have 7 names and pick your personal favorite.

For me it's Roy, Sawchuk, Tretiak, Hasek in that order

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by SHOGUN

Hasek is the best because his style was so unique and dominated while not being the prototypical butterfly goalie.

It's not like Patrick Roy wasn't unique. His butterfly style was totally unknown and downright weird when he broke into the league.

[Sandman]

I think Sawchuk may be the best of all time: he posted Roy-like numbers, and did so without a mask-and he was drunk.
I do think Hasek is right there though- I was always a big fan of those Sabres teams of the late nineties....

[SeeBass]

Tretiak

[dammage79]

Hasek certainly deserves to be in the top five all time goalies convo. But best of all time? It's opinion for sure and all the power to those who say he was, but he wasn't. Brodeur is, followed by Roy, then maybe Hasek. Maybe. If he had the stats to back it up or some records as well, then maybe I'd side more with that opinion, but there really isn't.

Personally, Belfour and Hasek are too close to each other and as a Belfour fan boy, I'll choose Belfour over Hasek. But that's nothing based on stats. He was just awesome to watch all the time.

EDIT: Best goalie ever to never play in the NHL when he rightfully should have, Tretiak. Put him Fourth. Dryden, Sawchuk, Plante...theres a really long list of goalies in this debate.

Double Edit: Good for Hasek and Buffalo. He was a major part of everything they built up in in the late 90's and early 2000's. Deserved honor.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Hasek certainly deserves to be in the top five all time goalies convo. But best of all time? It's opinion for sure and all the power to those who say he was, but he wasn't. Brodeur is, followed by Roy, then maybe Hasek. Maybe. If he had the stats to back it up or some records as well, then maybe I'd side more with that opinion, but there really isn't.

Personally, Belfour and Hasek are too close to each other and as a Belfour fan boy, I'll choose Belfour over Hasek. But that's nothing based on stats. He was just awesome to watch all the time.

EDIT: Best goalie ever to never play in the NHL when he rightfully should have, Tretiak. Put him Fourth. Dryden, Sawchuk, Plante...theres a really long list of goalies in this debate.

Double Edit: Good for Hasek and Buffalo. He was a major part of everything they built up in in the late 90's and early 2000's. Deserved honor.

Hasek won 6 Vezina trophies and 2 Hart trophies while Brodeur, Roy and Belfour were all in their primes...

[sun]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Hasek certainly deserves to be in the top five all time goalies convo. But best of all time? It's opinion for sure and all the power to those who say he was, but he wasn't. Brodeur is, followed by Roy, then maybe Hasek. Maybe. If he had the stats to back it up or some records as well, then maybe I'd side more with that opinion, but there really isn't.

Personally, Belfour and Hasek are too close to each other and as a Belfour fan boy, I'll choose Belfour over Hasek. But that's nothing based on stats. He was just awesome to watch all the time.

EDIT: Best goalie ever to never play in the NHL when he rightfully should have, Tretiak. Put him Fourth. Dryden, Sawchuk, Plante...theres a really long list of goalies in this debate.

Double Edit: Good for Hasek and Buffalo. He was a major part of everything they built up in in the late 90's and early 2000's. Deserved honor.

How about these for stats?

From 1993-94 to 2001-02, Dominik Hasek faced 1,060 more shots than Martin Brodeur, and gave up 135 fewer goals.

Looking at only age 29-34 seasons (Brodeur's prime), Hasek faced 1,494 more shots than Martin Brodeur, and still gave up 41 fewer goals.

Between 1995-96 and 2000-01, St. Louis had a strong defence led by Pronger and MacInnis. Buffalo's top pair was Zhitnik/Smehlik. In those six seasons, Buffalo allowed 2,781 more shots against than St. Louis. Yet 40 more goals were scored against the Blues than against the Sabres.

Copy pasta from here. Great blog BTW for those interesting in goalies.

Brodeur's teams were far and away better than Hasek's when they were both in their prime. And Hasek still had better numbers.

Brodeur's winning percentage was lower in the playoffs vs reg season and Hasek's was higher in the playoffs vs reg season.

Brodeur has the longevity, yes and his later Vezina wins are impressive. I also love that he was so good at handling the puck that they changed the rules.

Brodeur is maybe top five, but he is not better than Hasek. Roy is also better than Brodeur. Both Roy and Hasek were better at their peak than Brodeur.

Belfour was sick, but he isn't on these guys' levels. A distant fourth perhaps if we're comparing all four. I can't speak on Plante and those guys, having never watched them.

[Jets4Life]

It's about time....