Remember... Kirill Kabanov?

[JiriHrdina]

The chap that went 2 spots after Reinhart actually would be great to have now. Gudas is an intriguing player - but that's 20/20 hindsight. No one after the draft was lamenting not picking him.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Gudas is a very intriguing player.

[Roof-Daddy]

Last season Reinhart had 7 goals and 14 assists (21 points) in 67 games.

This season, in his last 16 AHL games Reinhart has scored 5 goals and 13 assist for 18 points.

He's almost matched his total offensive output from last season in just his last 16 games, kid is showing some growth.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

While I'm sure you will never be able to resist the urge to pointlessly crap all over Sutter, the fact remains, he made a better decision in picking Reinhart over Kabanov than a large majority of this forum would have.

Could have sworn I said as much in my initial post. Yes I did in fact;

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Reinhart was the better pick

It's not pointless as Darryl Sutter played a role in the team's current state. I still respect the man as he's one of the best coaches in the NHL but that doesn't change the fact that his drafting was absolutely horrendous.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by strombad

Truth.
I'd be shocked if there were people out there who can HONESTLY say they had Reinhart over Kabanov.

Lots of posters here knew of Kabanov's problems and didn't want him. I think it was more a question of anybody but Kabanov rather than Reinhart was preferred.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by strombad

Truth.
I'd be shocked if there were people out there who can HONESTLY say they had Reinhart over Kabanov.

Absolutely nobody. That doesn't mean Reinhart isn't a good player but at the time there wasn't any hype around him and he was rated as more of a 4th round player.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

The moral of the story: Players fall for a reason.

I would tend to agree. People look at the central scouting ranking and based on those rankings come to conclusions like why didn't my team select player X, or my team made a steal by selecting player Y.

I would be interested to know the difference between the big risers and the big fallers at the draft. I am almost starting to think that a big riser is more likely to be a good pick than a big faller.

I seem to remember Derrick Morris being a really off the board pick. The Flames picked him 13th?ish and he was rated as a 3rd rounder. Looking back on that draft, he is arguably top 5. (Kelly Kisio scouted Derrick Morris BTW)

But I think it would be interesting to look at the risers and fallers in the previous drafts. For every Kabonov there is a Tanguay, and for every Morris there is a Hickey. But I would suspect that the risers have done better than the fallers. Look at Seth Jones.

[cral12]

But Kabanov did bring the Thunder to Stockton of the ECHL, with 8 pts in 9 GP!

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

The moral of the story: Players fall for a reason.

Hudler was one of those guys too.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I would tend to agree. People look at the central scouting ranking and based on those rankings come to conclusions like why didn't my team select player X, or my team made a steal by selecting player Y.
I would be interested to know the difference between the big risers and the big fallers at the draft. I am almost starting to think that a big riser is more likely to be a good pick than a big faller.

I seem to remember Derrick Morris being a really off the board pick. The Flames picked him 13th?ish and he was rated as a 3rd rounder. Looking back on that draft, he is arguably top 5. (Kelly Kisio scouted Derrick Morris BTW)

But I think it would be interesting to look at the risers and fallers in the previous drafts. For every Kabonov there is a Tanguay, and for every Morris there is a Hickey. But I would suspect that the risers have done better than the fallers. Look at Seth Jones.

Almost certain that Kisio had nothing to do with Morris draft.
Could you verify?

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by timbit

Almost certain that Kisio had nothing to do with Morris draft.
Could you verify?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Kisio

[GGG]

Reinhart was way off draft rankings at that point so it was unlikely he would have been taken before our second third round pick so I still think we should have picked Kabanov. High risk High reward picks should be taken in the third round. There likely was a safer pick when we drafted Johnny Gaudreau in the fourth round and even if he busts out I don't think there will be too many complaints about that pick.

The second third round pick was Joey Leach.

Although we did quite good in picking AHL players in the late rounds which is more or less a success (or we picked low risk low ceiling guys) with 4 through 7th round picks with Ferland, Holland, Ramage, Reinhart, Leach.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by GGG

Reinhart was way off draft rankings at that point so it was unlikely he would have been taken before our second third round pick so I still think we should have picked Kabanov. .

Rankings don't really matter - but moreso in the later rounds. You have to take the guys you like - why risk not taking your guy in hopes he is still there later?

Kabanov was and is a train wreck.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by GGG

Reinhart was way off draft rankings at that point so it was unlikely he would have been taken before our second third round pick so I still think we should have picked Kabanov. High risk High reward picks should be taken in the third round. There likely was a safer pick when we drafted Johnny Gaudreau in the fourth round and even if he busts out I don't think there will be too many complaints about that pick.

The second third round pick was Joey Leach.

Although we did quite good in picking AHL players in the late rounds which is more or less a success (or we picked low risk low ceiling guys) with 4 through 7th round picks with Ferland, Holland, Ramage, Reinhart, Leach.

Really? Max Power is going to be a good bottom 6 player, Kabanov is not going to be in the NHL at all.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by GGG

Reinhart was way off draft rankings at that point so it was unlikely he would have been taken before our second third round pick so I still think we should have picked Kabanov. High risk High reward picks should be taken in the third round. There likely was a safer pick when we drafted Johnny Gaudreau in the fourth round and even if he busts out I don't think there will be too many complaints about that pick.

The second third round pick was Joey Leach.

Even if we could make that guarantee, there's no difference. Instead of Max Reinhart and a wasted pick, we could have had a wasted pick and Max Reinhart.

[sureLoss]

And the Isles are cutting ties with him:

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
#Isles have placed F Kirill Kabanov on unconditional waivers.

[neo45]

I think Darryl did pretty well in that draft all things considered

[bubbsy]

any irony that they drafted ho-sang just a few weeks ago, or too different a situation to compare?

[kirant]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

any irony that they drafted ho-sang just a few weeks ago, or too different a situation to compare?

I think he compares much more to Subban or Johnny Manziel in attitude. He's has a bit of an emotional streak and arrogant personality which turn teams away from him. His comments about being the best player from the draft in 3 years is very comparable to Manziel's comments about not being picked #1.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

And the Isles are cutting ties with him:

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
#Isles have placed F Kirill Kabanov on unconditional waivers.

Exhibit A on why scouts know better than the fans when it comes to prospects.

It was hilarious seeing fans freak out on this board when the Flames passed on Kabanov because he was "good value" at that spot based on "the board"

Hopefully Reinhart still turns into an everyday NHLer.