Bouma sits dows with King?

[kyuss275]

If anything KK is probably in the room evaluating Feaster and Weisbrod.

[puckluck2]

Yeah, because Ken King hasn't been accused of meddling before so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.

He was likely just in there to give Bouma a firm handshake on the way out the door.

Jesus, it's like Oiler fans denying Kevin Lowe is not the actual GM.

[SuperMatt18]

I have a feeling this this was President of Hockey Operations John Davidson their would be no issue.

I have an issue with Ken King meddling in decisions, but not sure the end of season interviews are that big of a deal. The leadership team is pretty much thanking the players, and giving them goals for the offseason.

If after the meetings King is demanding Feaster trade that guy, re-sign that guy, etc then it is an issue.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Some of you must have seriously never had a job before.

Upper Management meet with employees and call shots all the time. That's kind of a part of their job.

Yeah, but upper management gets fired when they fail to deliver results.

So if King isn't being fired because the team is doing well financially, then I'm not sure he should be involved in hockey operations.

Fact is, he's very involved in hockey operations, as he should be - he's the president of it. However, he should have to face the same consequences that the rest of the organization does when they continue fail over and over and over again though. He should not be immune. The hockey operations part of the Calgary Flames - from management, to coaches to players - have all paid for their continued failures...except King. He has yet to lose his job, while so many around him continue to.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Some of you must have seriously never had a job before.

Upper Management meet with employees and call shots all the time. That's kind of a part of their job.

yes we have never had a job before that is why some of us are STH because one day the tickets just fell down from the sky.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Why would the president sit down with a hockey player? Makes no sense.

King is meddling, if you can't see that then you must have the blinders on.

maybe because he is the president of a hockey team?? of course he has interest in the players

[moon]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Jesus, it's like Oiler fans denying Kevin Lowe is not the actual GM.

Its nothing close to that.

People can be fine with him being in this meeting and still think he may be meddling.

People are just pointing out how this proves nothing either way and that it isn't a big deal at all and nowhere close to the deal the drama queens are making it out to be.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I have a feeling this this was President of Hockey Operations John Davidson their would be no issue.

I have an issue with Ken King meddling in decisions, but not sure the end of season interviews are that big of a deal. The leadership team is pretty much thanking the players, and giving them goals for the offseason.

I can only speak for myself but i am sure that what has bothered some fans is what failures have transpired under KKings watch. Is it 4 playoffs in a row, honestly i have lost count. Not to mention some horrendous trades that he approved along with his GM's.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, but upper management gets fired when they fail to deliver results.

So if King isn't being fired because the team is doing well financially, then I'm not sure he should be involved in hockey operations.

Fact is, he's very involved in hockey operations, as he should be - he's the president of it. However, he should have to face the same consequences that the rest of the organization does when they continue fail over and over and over again though. He should not be immune. The hockey operations part of the Calgary Flames - from management, to coaches to players - have all paid for their continued failures...except King. He has yet to lose his job, while so many around him continue to.

Sure, I can get behind the idea that King's job should be on the line if he's taking part in hockey operations.

But, in every organization I have worked for, and I'm sure it's the same in a hockey team as well, the VP, Owner, or President identify directions in which he/she wants to company to move towards. That information is relayed on to the Managers, which in turn hire personnel to carry out that vision. Sometimes when the decisions can alter the course of the organization (ie. sending out a bid package to a new client in the Engineering world, choosing to start delivering pizza to a new suburb on the outskirts of the city in the pizza delivery world, choosing to trade Iginla in the Flames world), executive level approval is 100% necessary.

It is also good for upper management and lower staff to actually have face to face meetings. That way the staff can put a face to the name of their boss and makes them feel as if it's kind of a family environment.

So at the end of the day, I have no issue with what King did here.

[Buff]

I've heard it said on HockeyCentral a couple of times. If you think that team's owners and or presidents don't have input on what the GMs are doing, you are living in the past. It happens in every organization, there is a lot of money at stake and they want to make sure they are getting the best they can out of the bottom line.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Before people jump to conclusions, what makes you think the president NOT sitting in on these interviews is the norm for the NHL?

It's not the norm if the President is on the business ops side. Patrick LaForge would never sit in on Oilers year-end meetings as an example.

It's perfectly fine behaviour if the President is involved in Hockey Operations (John Davidson as an example). The question is, do you want Ken King involved in Hockey Operations? If he's in these meetings then he is, end of story.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If anything KK is probably in the room evaluating Feaster and Weisbrod.

It's like when you were in school and the Principal would sit in on a class. You freaked out because you thought the class was in trouble, but looking back on it, it's more likely that he was there to watch how the teacher dealt with the students.

[Stay Golden]

President of the Boston Bruins HOF Cam Neely
President of the Calgary Flames Ken King

Who would you rather put in charge your team. Who has had success and continuing to do so and who isn't.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

President of the Boston Bruins HOF Cam Neely
President of the Calgary Flames Ken King

Who would you rather put in charge your team. Who has had success and continuing to do so and who isn't.

I don't know but if you are asking me if I want Lanny McDonald as the Prez (as a similar example) I would say no.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

President of the Boston Bruins HOF Cam Neely
President of the Calgary Flames Ken King

Who would you rather put in charge your team. Who has had success and continuing to do so and who isn't.

Maybe Bouma wants a job with the Calgary Sun after his career is over and wants some tips?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

The question is, do you want Ken King involved in Hockey Operations? If he's in these meetings then he is, end of story.

That's where it's at for me as well. Ken King is not a hockey guy, but from what I've read and heard he's squeezed himself more into that role as the years have gone by. Definitely concerns me, to say the least.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

It's not the norm if the President is on the business ops side. Patrick LaForge would never sit in on Oilers year-end meetings as an example.

It's perfectly fine behaviour if the President is involved in Hockey Operations (John Davidson as an example). The question is, do you want Ken King involved in Hockey Operations? If he's in these meetings then he is, end of story.

Nope. He should have been let go when he fired the wrong Sutter.

[puckluck2]

I also find it interesting that the only (known) guy in this thread to thank the OP works for the NHL.

I guess even he sees that Ken King is over stepping his boundaries.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't know but if you are asking me if I want Lanny McDonald as the Prez (as a similar example) I would say no.

Come on Lanny did i mention Lanny Is Lanny a President No is Neely a President Yes.

Ken King should have been let go 3 seasons ago for his failures of what is on the ice. Its his ship regardless the outcome.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

That's where it's at for me as well. Ken King is not a hockey guy, but from what I've read and heard he's squeezed himself more into that role as the years have gone by. Definitely concerns me, to say the least.

I agree. There's no chance that King was involved in year-end meetings back in 2004 as an example. Does anyone think Ron "Cold Hot Dogs" Bremner was ever involved on the hockey ops side? I sure don't.