Muslim vigilantes in London

[NBC]

Though it's centre-right political tendencies may not be to everyone's tastes, I'd hardly call the Telegraph a "crappy paper." We are not talking about the Sun or the Daily Mail here. Plus the Telegraph was responsible for one the most significant bits of investigative journalism in the past few decades when news and details of the misuse and abuse of MP's expenses was uncovered.

Further to the story, this is the first I have heard about rogue Muslim "vigilantes" accosting people on the street, like the article states.

[octothorp]

I saw a jihadist with an arabic placard in his hand
Walking the streets of SoHo in the rain
He was looking for a store called H&M
Gonna make the mannequins look like they're from Bahrain
Awoooooo! Jihadists of London. Awoooooo!

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

The difference is that it's one article based on one example and one person's opinion in a crappy paper. They even brought up Hitler for a little extra sensationalism.

If it's a widespread problem, or about to be, as the article implies, then sure, raise a stink. Hell, send out some anti-vigilante vigilantes for all I care, and crack a couple skulls if people are trying to force their religious nuttery on people on the street.

Nothing in that article (more of an opinion piece, far as I can tell) tells us that this is an actual problem, as opposed to a an excuse to rile people up about 'the others'.

The source appears to be a former crazy himself, with an axe to grind, and questionable motives.

What exactly makes the Telegraph a crappy paper? Not pandering to your political views? Komsomolskaya Pravda more to your liking?

Anyways I'm willing to bet this will become a major problem in the UK/France, only a matter of time.

[SeeBass]

So less than a handful of young men are doing this??

Well we better get on this right away as the Muslims are taking over.

What is this some warning email from my mom?

Sure it is an interesting little article that clearly sells to the fear of the general public but hardly a trend or fearful.

[FlamesAddiction]

I see this more as an issue of immigrants (and subsequently the next generation) refusing to assimilate than being a "muslim" thing.

I have been all over Bosnia and have family there, which is one of the most muslim countries in Europe (roughly 45% of the population), and I have never heard of these types of vigilantes. Not that there aren't some people who are strict, but nothing like this. The difference is that they are fully Europeanized.

I also doubt you see much of this in places like Albania or Bulgaria which also have large homegrown muslim populations.

[Nage Waza]

I am always amazed that if there is a post regarding Muslims, someone will quickly post something regarding Jews, often in some negative light.

There are wacky people in any group, what makes a group unique is if those that disagree are silent in their dissent. Jewish people around the world debate freely pretty much anything. If there is a group of Jews acting stupid, you bet there are Jews freely calling them out on it.

Jews make up less than half a percent of the global population yet account for a very large percentage of Nobel prizes. There is a massive list of accomplishments that has benefited the entire world due this small group of people. I don't know what more this group can do to prove themselves.

[Huntingwhale]

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Not sure if that happens or not, but I don't think too many people are worried about getting beaten by a bunch of Jews. On the other hand, people are nervous of so called radical Muslim people attacking them, legit or not.

Another key difference is the VAST majority of Jews would consider the situation you described as dumb and are in no way shape or form nervous about saying that out loud in any part of the world.

It does, and I don't see what concern over 'getting beaten up' has to do with anything. It's unacceptable behavior.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I am always amazed that if there is a post regarding Muslims, someone will quickly post something regarding Jews, often in some negative light.

There are wacky people in any group, what makes a group unique is if those that disagree are silent in their dissent. Jewish people around the world debate freely pretty much anything. If there is a group of Jews acting stupid, you bet there are Jews freely calling them out on it.

Jews make up less than half a percent of the global population yet account for a very large percentage of Nobel prizes. There is a massive list of accomplishments that has benefited the entire world due this small group of people. I don't know what more this group can do to prove themselves.

A post was made about Jews because there is a Jewish population in my community that engages in behavior comparable to that being alleged in this article.

Why is that you seem to take offense if there is no issue with them being called out?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by valo403

A post was made about Jews because there is a Jewish population in my community that engages in behavior comparable to that being alleged in this article.

Why is that you seem to take offense if there is no issue with them being called out?

We Jews are self-loathing, duh.

On-topic, nearly all UK papers are sensationalist rags, the Telegraph included. As RougeUnderoos pointed out, the article was over-wrought, padded, used many non-neutral descriptions (which is a big no-no in journalism outside of the Editorial page), and even invoked Godwin's Law, for which they can rightfully get ####ed.

I hear about this every 4 months or so, about some Muslims being pushy and whatnot, and all I can think about is "who the hell cares?" To parrot what was said above, what are you, my mom?

This is just another case of "THERE GOES THE NEIGHBOURHOOD!", except with less cross-burning and white sheets.

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

2. I think it's more important to have the discussion BEFORE it becomes a widespread problem.

It will never be a widespread problem. Thinking otherwise is insulting to anyone with half a brain, and getting mad about it on the internet just makes you look like a half-witted tool who can't tell what's worth getting upset about and what isn't. (Hint: It's not this)

[JonDuke]

I read an article a few months ago about birth rates.
The birth rate in North America is declining, and I think it was the slowest in history (don't quote me, but something like 1.7 kids/couple)

The Muslim population, on the other hand, was at it's all time high (again...no quotes, but it was over 3.0 kids/couple...maybe even 4)

So, the population of "whites" is slowly decreasing, while the Arab and Muslim population is growing at an all time high.

The article was made with a lot of hate, but did make the good point that in 50ish years,the demographics and social attitudes, even in places like Canada, will be vastly different.

I could see incidents like this happening frequently then.

I wish I could find the article though.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

I read an article a few months ago about birth rates.
The birth rate in North America is declining, and I think it was the slowest in history (don't quote me, but something like 1.7 kids/couple)

The Muslim population, on the other hand, was at it's all time high (again...no quotes, but it was over 3.0 kids/couple...maybe even 4)

So, the population of "whites" is slowly decreasing, while the Arab and Muslim population is growing at an all time high.

The article was made with a lot of hate, but did make the good point that in 50ish years,the demographics and social attitudes, even in places like Canada, will be vastly different.

I could see incidents like this happening frequently then.

I wish I could find the article though.

Oh god our perfect lily white society and it's way of life are at stake!

Deport em all to the desert and nuke it to glass!

[mykalberta]

Right or wrong I dont trust any news from the UK not reported by the BBC. There is so much garbage reporting in England that is just how I feel about it.

When they report it, then its a story imo.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

I read an article a few months ago about birth rates.
The birth rate in North America is declining, and I think it was the slowest in history (don't quote me, but something like 1.7 kids/couple)

The Muslim population, on the other hand, was at it's all time high (again...no quotes, but it was over 3.0 kids/couple...maybe even 4)

So, the population of "whites" is slowly decreasing, while the Arab and Muslim population is growing at an all time high.

The article was made with a lot of hate, but did make the good point that in 50ish years,the demographics and social attitudes, even in places like Canada, will be vastly different.

I could see incidents like this happening frequently then.

I wish I could find the article though.

I watched a TED talk when Colin Powell said that by the next generation, the minority in the US will be the majority. The reality is, who cares? Are they not American because they are not white?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I watched a TED talk when Colin Powell said that by the next generation, the minority in the US will be the majority. The reality is, who cares? Are they not American because they are not white?

Race doesn't matter.

Beliefs and cultures do. This is obviously an extreme example but imagine if these events started to happen in Canada... I'm not saying they will but who knows? If there's ever a predominantly muslim population here then you never know. It doesn't have to be muslim. It could be Jewish or Fundamentilist Christian too.

How angry would you be if you were walking down the street with your gf/wife and some group of guys started insulting her for wearing a skirt? I know if that happened to me, I'd lose it.

Again, I don't care if you're Black, Brown, White or Blue. As long as your willing to adapt to Canadian customs and culture (you don't have to assimilate, but you do have to realize that somethings do not fly here) then you're good. The moment you start screwing with that, expect sh** to hit the fan.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by polak

Race doesn't matter.

Beliefs and cultures do. This is obviously an extreme example but imagine if these events started to happen in Canada... I'm not saying they will but who knows? If there's ever a predominantly muslim population here then you never know.

How angry would you be if you were walking down the street with your gf/wife and some group of guys started insulting here for wearing a skirt? I know if that happened to me, I'd lose it.

Again, I don't care if you're Black, Brown, White or Blue. As long as your willing to adapt to Canadian customs and culture (you don't have to assimilate, but you do have to realize that somethings do not fly here) then you're good. The moment you start screwing with that, expect sh** to hit the fan.

You are defining "Canadian culture" as something that doesn't include other cultures customs and beliefs. That's the problem with your perception.

If what you are really saying is I don't care if you are black, brown etc, as long as you act exactly like I do, because how I act is the only appropriate way to act.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Rathji

You are defining "Canadian culture" as something that doesn't include other cultures customs and beliefs. That's the problem with your perception.

No I'm not.

I said I don't want to live in a Canada where someone tries to impose religious law on to me and my family.

Call me crazy for not accepting that as part of Canadian Culture.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by polak

No I didn't.

I said I don't want to live in a Canada where someone tries to impose religious law on to me and my family.

Call me crazy for not accepting that as part of Canadian Culture.

We already have a whole boatload of stupid puritanical Christian-based laws in this country, why not have some stupid puritanical Muslim-based laws as well?

[polak]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

We already have a whole boatload of stupid puritanical Christian-based laws in this country, why not have some stupid puritanical Muslim-based laws as well?

Like what?
Thou shall not kill?

I hate all religion but I can't think of any laws in Canada that maybe based on Religion that I don't think should exist.

I can think of plenty of laws in other places that are based on religion and shouldn't exist.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by polak

No I didn't.

I said I don't want to live in a Canada where someone tries to impose religious law on to me and my family.

Call me crazy for not accepting that as part of Canadian Culture.

You think that because white people will be the minority in the western world that somehow it will cause religious laws to be forced upon you and your family? I am sorry. I thought I was having a totally different conversation, with someone who understood, even remotely, how laws work and how they get made.

Have a nice day.