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Flabbibulin · 01-08-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

It's just insane how polarized US politics are.

What's the likelyhood this has a Civil Archduke Ferdinand effect?

I guess everyone is eager to assume things, but we shouldn't overlook the possibility that this was simply a crazy on a shooting spree

burn_this_city · 01-08-2011, 01:18 PM

Of course she did. They don't take heat for this crap, she'll just wriggle out of it the way the GOP always do with their racist or violent rhetoric.

SeeBass · 01-08-2011, 01:19 PM

the second I heard that a member of congress was shot I would have bet my house it was a Dem

Blaster86 · 01-08-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

I guess everyone is eager to assume things, but we shouldn't overlook the possibility that this was simply a crazy on a shooting spree

You're right, but even if it is a crazy shooting spree you know there will be people who won't believe that.

Calgaryborn · 01-08-2011, 01:23 PM

It might be prudent to find out what motivated this young man before laying the blame squarely at the feet of the republican right.

SeeBass · 01-08-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

It might be prudent to find out what motivated this young man before laying the blame squarely at the feet of the republican right.

good point, but do you want to place a bet on that?

Blaster86 · 01-08-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

It might be prudent to find out what motivated this young man before laying the blame squarely at the feet of the republican right.

My worry is that due to polarization it's not going to matter why he did it. I can pretty much guarantee that some people have already made up their minds.

SeeBass · 01-08-2011, 01:32 PM

Her father Spencer Giffords, 75, wept when asked if his 40-year-old daughter had any enemies.
"Yeah," he told The Post. "The whole tea party."

here is a clip worth noting

Calgaryborn · 01-08-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeBass

good point, but do you want a place a bet on that?

I don't gamble but, if I did it might not be that bad of a bet. He seems to have made no plan to get away. That suggests mental instability or a personal grudge against the Congresswomen that produced a blind rage.

Calgaryborn · 01-08-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

My worry is that due to polarization it's not going to matter why he did it. I can pretty much guarantee that some people have already made up their minds.

Good point.

SeeBass · 01-08-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I don't gamble but, if I did it might not be that bad of a bet. He seems to have made no plan to get away. That suggests mental instability or a personal grudge against the Congresswomen that produced a blind rage.

hmmmm I wonder how that blind rage may have been stoked

burn_this_city · 01-08-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeBass

hmmmm I wonder how that blind rage may have been stoked

Don't be silly, its all just a magical coincidence.

d_phaneuf · 01-08-2011, 01:43 PM

Ariz state senator Linda Lopez tells Fox: "We just heard that she is responding to commands. She made it through surgery."

nik- · 01-08-2011, 01:44 PM

Hopefully she lives, and hopefully (if this was politically motived) an event like this causes the people who feel the need to incite over politics to calm the F down.

Blaster86 · 01-08-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

an event like this causes the people who feel the need to incite over politics to calm the F down.

Can you stop the fuse once it's already been lit?

Reggie Dunlop · 01-08-2011, 01:48 PM

A really good way to protest healthcare legislation is to gun down 12 people.

MarchHare · 01-08-2011, 01:50 PM

Whether this was politically motivated or just a random lunatic shooter, hopefully this causes the likes of Palin and others to stop using dangerous rhetoric like "reload" and "take aim", not to mention authorizing images with crosshairs like the one linked earlier in this thread.

Obviously every reasonable person will look at Palin's words and realize she was using language to appeal to her core constituents and wasn't literally calling for the assassination of Democrats, but the danger is that not everyone who listens to her is reasonable. Hopefully that's not what happened here.

Reggie Dunlop · 01-08-2011, 01:51 PM

Palin's website took down the crosshairs graphic.

Cowperson · 01-08-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

My worry is that due to polarization it's not going to matter why he did it. I can pretty much guarantee that some people have already made up their minds.

Incidents like this only serve to distance all politicians from all sides of the electorate and serve no useful purpose or forward any agenda in spite of what the perpetrator might think.

Although its flavour of the month stuff thé truth is in a nation of more than 300,000,000 million people, there are always going to be extremist crazy people who may be willing to act. It will be interesting to see if she had any security on hand.p

And Canada is a pretty polarized place too. In fact, in our increasingly over populated world, that's something of the norm.

Fortunately, she's probably not the lynchpin Archduke Ferdinand was.

BigBrodieFan · 01-08-2011, 01:56 PM

The shooter is a 22 year old white male who apparently served in Afghanistan in the US military. Jared Lauder is his name. Not sure of the spelling.

This is absolutely sickening. I just can't believe it.

This has nothing to do with Right attacking Left or Left attacking Right, but people will make it out to be that way. It has everything to do with some nutcase losing his mind and killing people. Again.

How profoundly sad.