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Vulcan · 10-18-2011, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

I would like to see him play a year in the AHL on the first line as opposed to playing on our 3-4 lines next year. Let him learn the pro game, understand what it takes to be an everyday professional, and then make the big club. That being said, if he has a great training camp next year and begins on the first 2 lines, then keep him up.

Like I said, as far as I know he can't play in the AHL next year. It's either the NHL or the WHL. There are exceptions but I don't believe any of them apply to Bartschi.

You Need a Thneed · 10-18-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by getbak

(no NHL player has their name spelled with any accent marks).

I've never understood this. Why not put them on? The accent mark are just as important for the spelling of their names as the letters themselves are.

3 Justin 3 · 10-18-2011, 08:50 AM

I see this in two ways. 1) It is good that he is continuing to rape the WHL, should put up 100+ easily this year, but 2) he is doing this against MUCH MUCH weaker competition.

It's like why Edmonton didn't send Hall down when they drafted him, because he was too dominate against players his own age that it would have done him no good (although he had 3 junior years I believe, this is Baertschi's 2nd).

I think he'll make the club coming out of next year as it would be ideal to put him in the AHL for a season, but since he won't be eligible, putting him in the WHL again wouldn't be worth it (if he continues to progress). Plus the fact that we have like 10 contracts coming off the books next year.

bizaro86 · 10-18-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Plus the fact that we have like 10 contracts coming off the books next year.

This. If you put him in Hagman's spot next year, you save around $2 MM in cap space, plus you can maybe flip Hagman at the deadline for a pick.

Husky · 10-18-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bizaro86

This. If you put him in Hagman's spot next year, you save around $2 MM in cap space, plus you can maybe flip Hagman at the deadline for a pick.

Tanguay and Glencross as #1 and #3 LWers.

If Sven is slotted in as the middle man....where does that leave Parise

littlereddevil · 10-18-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

Like I said, as far as I know he can't play in the AHL next year. It's either the NHL or the WHL. There are exceptions but I don't believe any of them apply to Bartschi.

Nevermind. Disregard my post.

Beerfest · 10-18-2011, 09:15 PM

He turns 20 in October, so maybe he can play in the AHL?

Vulcan · 10-19-2011, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Beerfest

He turns 20 in October, so maybe he can play in the AHL?

That's one of the exceptions I thought of too, but I haven't heard of that applying before. Other exceptions are for players who don't come from the CHL and players that have already played 4 seasons in the CHL.

Savvy27 · 10-19-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

It's like why Edmonton didn't send Hall down when they drafted him, because he was too dominate against players his own age that it would have done him no good (although he had 3 junior years I believe, this is Baertschi's 2nd).

Hall was a huge star on a back to back Memorial Cup winning team, while Baertschi was a 2nd liner on a very good WHL team. I think there is some value in giving him the opportunity to be a star at a level where he can produce a lot of points. Let him have that experience of being the go-to-guy that other teams focus on, so that when he makes the Flames he will have been through something like it before.

Drake · 10-19-2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

That's one of the exceptions I thought of too, but I haven't heard of that applying before. Other exceptions are for players who don't come from the CHL and players that have already played 4 seasons in the CHL.

If Calgary really wanted him in the AHL next year they could do it. I'll use his teammate from last year as an example. Taylor Aronson who is only 19 is in the AHL with Milwaukee. He doesn't turn 20 until the end of these year and only played two full seasons in the WHL with Portland.

Pierre "Monster" McGuire · 10-19-2011, 10:40 PM

To answer everyone's confusion. The AHL website, in the FAQ section, says:

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What is the minimum age for an AHL player?

Per AHL By-Laws, the age limit for eligibility to compete in the American Hockey League is 18 years or over, on or before September 15 of each season of competition.

Therefore, Sven could play in the AHL next season. I honestly don't think it would hurt or hinder his development no matter what league he plays in.

If this season he's a top 5 point-getter in the WHL, then I don't think it would hurt anything to put him in the AHL.

Everyone has to keep in mind, the Heat don't have Playfair anymore. His development and psyche won't be hurt by playing the AHL. The Heat are a new organization per say. There's a sense of optimism among the players. It's not all doom and gloom.

Vulcan · 10-19-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake

If Calgary really wanted him in the AHL next year they could do it. I'll use his teammate from last year as an example. Taylor Aronson who is only 19 is in the AHL with Milwaukee. He doesn't turn 20 until the end of these year and only played two full seasons in the WHL with Portland.

I think you are right, he can play in the AHL next year. I guess draft age (Sept. 15 cut off) isn't the same as birth age (Dec.31) in this case.

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Originally Posted by ratsgirl

Since this question seems to come up over and over again:

There is a private agreement in place between the NHL and the CHL that governs when a player coming from the CHL can play in the AHL. A player from the CHL has to either turn 20 by December 31st of the season (ie a player born in 1987 can start playing in the 2007-08 season, a player born in 1988 can start playing in the 2008-09 season etc.) OR have completed 4 seasons of junior eligibility. This agreement also covers European players if they are drafted out of the CHL (Examples would be players like Petr Vrana and Ivan Vishnevskiy). Also - CHL players are eligible to play in the AHL once their junior season is over (either by virtue of their team junior not making the playoffs or being eliminated from the playoffs) even if they don't yet meet the age or eligibility criteria listed above.

College players and European players (provided they are drafted out of Europe--even if they later play in the CHL) are not covered by this agreement. They only have to abide by the AHL's age requirement, which is that a player has to turn 18 by September 15 of any given season to be eligible to play. While you won't see many 18-year olds in the AHL, some European players have played at that age (e.g. Niklas Bergfors)

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=417096

Vulcan · 10-19-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

To answer everyone's confusion. The AHL website, in the FAQ section, says:

Therefore, Sven could play in the AHL next season. I honestly don't think it would hurt or hinder his development no matter what league he plays in.

If this season he's a top 5 point-getter in the WHL, then I don't think it would hurt anything to put him in the AHL.

Everyone has to keep in mind, the Heat don't have Playfair anymore. His development and psyche won't be hurt by playing the AHL. The Heat are a new organization per say. There's a sense of optimism among the players. It's not all doom and gloom.

That doesn't take into account the deal the AHL-NHL has with the CHL that limits CHL players playing in the AHL until they reach 20 years old or complete 4 years of junior (some players start in junior at 15 so they can play in the AHL at 19, Rico Fata is an example).

Sven will be 20 before the end of next year, so he should be able to play in the AHL though.

CofR · 10-19-2011, 10:53 PM

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CofR · 10-19-2011, 11:01 PM

The only issue I would have with playing him in the AHL a year early is that I'm pretty sure that it would burn a year of his ELC... It may be better to just have him play the extra year of junior, and then have an extra year on his contract when he goes pro. But if its better for his development then it isn't really an issue.

Cactus Jack · 10-23-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Our saviour is progressing nicely.

Whoever created the backlund savior pic should get working on bartschi's!

blankall · 10-24-2011, 10:27 AM

Bartschi is right up at the top of the WHL in terms of PPG. I really hope he can keep this up. Considering this is only his second season in the WHL, it makes it even more impressive.

SoulOfTheFlame · 10-25-2011, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Whoever created the backlund savior pic should get working on bartschi's!

Man, everyone knows the savior will forever be Jamie Lundmark

getbak · 10-25-2011, 09:51 AM

Looks like he'll be in town with the Winter Hawks tonight (and to get his hip looked at by the Flames medical staff) but he won't be playing against the Hitmen: http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...344/story.html

Too bad, but no point in rushing back and risking more injury.

DrJ · 10-25-2011, 10:18 PM

I was sitting in front of him in the 200's but he was with two buds on his team so I didn't wish him well or anything.