2016 NHL Draft

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Itse

That sounds like it would be quite difficult/expensive to move up though.

Well, I was thinking of combination down from 6 and up from the 2nd round...

[Itse]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Well, I was thinking of combination down from 6 and up from the 2nd round...

Might work. Might be hard to find the right trading partners to get the picks from such a specific range. Who knows.

Personally I'm not a fan of moving down from 6, unless it's for just a spot or two.

[bigrangy]

6 for 8+38 would be my preferred move-down scenario right now, Buffalo really wants their pick of the D, and the Flames could package 35+38 to get up into the Gauthier/Kunin/Rubtsov tier.

[Commandant]

Part 1 of our mock.

As always, clicking the player name gives a full scouting report.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2016/05/...-draft-part-1/

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Itse

Might work. Might be hard to find the right trading partners to get the picks from such a specific range. Who knows.

Personally I'm not a fan of moving down from 6, unless it's for just a spot or two.

If the Flames see a ledge after pick #6, I can't see them wanting to trade down. I'd rather see them trade their 2nd round picks for a first rounder.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Part 1 of our mock.

As always, clicking the player name gives a full scouting report.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2016/05/...-draft-part-1/

Your picks work for me, let it be so.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Part 1 of our mock.

As always, clicking the player name gives a full scouting report.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2016/05/...-draft-part-1/

I can't argue with any of this.

[CliffFletcher]

The trouble with trading down is there's no consensus after the first 5 or so picks. So if the Flames trade down to 10th in the hopes of getting Jost (for example) who's to say the Coyotes or Canadiens don't grab him? Same with the d-men, or Keller.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The trouble with trading down is there's no consensus after the first 5 or so picks. So if the Flames trade down to 10th in the hopes of getting Jost (for example) who's to say the Coyotes or Canadiens don't grab him? Same with the d-men, or Keller.

Of course...you trade down only in the case where you're indifferent as to which player you get...if you have a strong preference, you just keep the pick and take your guy

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Serious question: in Calgary establishing a board don't they take all the information from their scouts and arrive at a consensus? with the number of prospects out there, i doubt Button sees all of them in person, so he has to rely on our scouts input...

Maybe it's semantics, and it varies by organization, but undoubtedly, all teams arrive at their draft board through consensus within their organization...

for some reason, people have it in their minds that 'consensus' or "metalists" are a bad thing or less accurate. I would be very, very surprised if any organzation is drafting off a list generates by one individual.

now ultimately, its the GMs call when they are on the clock and they don't have to go off of any board...

Can't disagree there is a consensus.

But I'd argue they are different in how they are arrived at.

Taking a simple average of 8 different lists gives you an average, not a consensus in my mind. It's just math.

Putting 8 scouts in a room and making them argue their way through a top 100 is forcing a consensus that isn't easily arrived, but at least when they're done it's a list that the team can live with.

No math in it at all. It's scout A versus scout B and someone has to give in, or someone else has to break the tie.

[FBI]

Commandant just wants us to get Tkachuk

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can't disagree there is a consensus.

But I'd argue they are different in how they are arrived at.

Taking a simple average of 8 different lists gives you an average, not a consensus in my mind. It's just math.

Putting 8 scouts in a room and making them argue their way through a top 100 is forcing a consensus that isn't easily arrived, but at least when they're done it's a list that the team can live with.

No math in it at all. It's scout A versus scout B and someone has to give in, or someone else has to break the tie.

Also you'd have to figure that all of the potential 1st round picks would be personally viewed by pretty much every senior scout, as well as the GM/AGM's/Burke to get all of their opinions on everyone so they can either dismiss or target a shorter list of guys.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Also you'd have to figure that all of the potential 1st round picks would be personally viewed by pretty much every senior scout, as well as the GM/AGM's/Burke to get all of their opinions on everyone so they can either dismiss or target a shorter list of guys.

100% right - I do remember reading (or was it watching?) Todd Button talk about the draft, and how he and most of the full-time scouts make sure they get a few viewings on everyone they feel may be available at their pick.

I am not sure how that worked out with Mathews, Laine and Puljujarvi this year though - I am not sure that all the scouts went over to Europe. However, I do bet that there will be more picks from Europe this year as I would assume there were more scouts in the area this year than normal. Just speculation on my part.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Redline player spotlights on Brown (from OCT)

http://www.redlinereport.com/wp-cont...tober-2015.pdf

"Every team is looking for size and skill down the middle, and this huge specimen has every tool in the book to be a dominant pro centre. Has very good mobility for such a big young kid, and added leg strength will give him a great stride. Has excellent vision and is an imaginative playmaker with soft, quick hands. Long reach and wide frame make him impossible to move off the puck. Can create off the rush or the cycle. We’d like to see a bit more intensity from him."

and Fabbro (from APR)

http://www.redlinereport.com/wp-cont...April-2016.pdf

"Terrific four-way skater with outstanding vision and puck skills. He’s a wonderfully imaginative passer who sees the whole ice and makes rocket home run passes up the seams, and is an excellent distributor on the PP. Can carry the puck out of the zone and make plays under pressure. Head is always on a swivel looking to make plays. Shows great stamina and logs a ton of high leverage minutes - coaches trust him in all situations. Always in the proper position defensively."

[bubbsy]

How does Brown's scouting report compare to scouting reports of Thornton at a similar age?

How about Colborne's?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am not sure how that worked out with Mathews, Laine and Puljujarvi this year though - I am not sure that all the scouts went over to Europe. However, I do bet that there will be more picks from Europe this year as I would assume there were more scouts in the area this year than normal. Just speculation on my part.

The best time for NA scouts to cross over and get viewings of the top euros is at the international tournaments. So some of our NA scouts would've seen Matthews, Laine and Puljujarvi at the World Juniors. Some of our NA scouts would've seen all 3 at the U18s in 2015 (USA vs FIN gold medal game from 2015 featured Matthews, Tkachuk, Keller, Laine, Puljujarvi, McAvoy). And some of our NA scouts would've seen Puljujarvi at the U18s this year in 2016.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

The best time for NA scouts to cross over and get viewings of the top euros is at the international tournaments. So some of our NA scouts would've seen Matthews, Laine and Puljujarvi at the World Juniors. Some of our NA scouts would've seen all 3 at the U18s in 2015 (USA vs FIN gold medal game from 2015 featured Matthews, Tkachuk, Keller, Laine, Puljujarvi, McAvoy). And some of our NA scouts would've seen Puljujarvi at the U18s this year in 2016.

It definitely would have been the best time for the cross-overs, but considering where the Flames were likely to pick, I would assume more scouts than usual spent more time in Europe, rather than just relying on the European scouts to give their opinions during league play. You still want to see these kids more often than an international tournament setting.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Redline player spotlights on Brown (from OCT)

http://www.redlinereport.com/wp-cont...tober-2015.pdf

"Every team is looking for size and skill down the middle, and this huge specimen has every tool in the book to be a dominant pro centre. Has very good mobility for such a big young kid, and added leg strength will give him a great stride. Has excellent vision and is an imaginative playmaker with soft, quick hands. Long reach and wide frame make him impossible to move off the puck. Can create off the rush or the cycle. We’d like to see a bit more intensity from him."

and Fabbro (from APR)

http://www.redlinereport.com/wp-cont...April-2016.pdf

"Terrific four-way skater with outstanding vision and puck skills. He’s a wonderfully imaginative passer who sees the whole ice and makes rocket home run passes up the seams, and is an excellent distributor on the PP. Can carry the puck out of the zone and make plays under pressure. Head is always on a swivel looking to make plays. Shows great stamina and logs a ton of high leverage minutes - coaches trust him in all situations. Always in the proper position defensively."

Brown definitely sounds like a Thornton-type player from all reports I've seen. Big body, great vision/playmaking ability, great poise, average skater, not very physical.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

If the Flames see a ledge after pick #6, I can't see them wanting to trade down. I'd rather see them trade their 2nd round picks for a first rounder.

It depends on if their Top 6 actually includes each of the five guys chosen 1-5. If it does, I agree it's unlikely we'll see them trade down.

However, if Edmonton and/or Vancouver take someone who isn't in the Flames' Top 6, and Buffalo wants to swap 8 for 6 to also get someone who isn't in the Flames' Top 6, the Flames would have consider it because they'd know that no matter who the Coyotes take at 7, the Flames will still get one of their Top 6 players at 8.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

How does Brown's scouting report compare to scouting reports of Thornton at a similar age?

How about Colborne's?

Colborne is ok, Thornton is not. People are really reaching with the Thornton comparison, he was the clear cut #1 in his draft year.