Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

What sort of useless crap would you cut?

No more JELL-O on the government dime, bring your own snacks.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

What sort of useless crap would you cut?

That’s not how making vague statements work.

Why would Locke answer that when he can’t even tell you how the “waste” at AHS compares to the waste in any other company?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

What sort of useless crap would you cut?

Lol. I wouldnt even begin to guess.

You want crazy? I'd find the oldest tenured nurses and ask them what annoys them the most. Among other things.

You know, actually talk and engage the people who are involved in the system instead of simply assuming that I know better.

The people who are in it every day know how to help fix it. You just have to give them agency...with limits.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

No more JELL-O on the government dime, bring your own snacks.

Already gone man. Already gone.

[Canadianman]

Originally Posted by Locke

Lol. I wouldnt even begin to guess.

You want crazy? I'd find the oldest tenured nurses and ask them what annoys them the most. Among other things.

You know, actually talk and engage the people who are involved in the system instead of simply assuming that I know better.

The people who are in it every day know how to help fix it. You just have to give them agency...with limits.

I mean, kudos for admitting that you have no idea and your previous statement was ignorant (while lacking the self-awareness to notice that you did exactly what you suggested others are doing). Next time, it might be wiser to simply not make the statement in the first place, but you do you.



How can you expect a nurse to know how to fix it? They are 1/120,000th of the system. An important part to be sure, but just a small cog in an immense and complex system.



AHS is a huge bureaucracy. It has enormous inefficiencies in some areas and colossal efficiencies in others. It can take months (years?) for changes to percolate through the system. It isn't broken or foolproof. It can absolutely be improved and efforts should continually be made to do so.



But the Conservatives in Alberta aren't interested in improving it at all. If they were, they had approximately 60 years of leadership to do something about it. They are hand-wringing about the plight of health care, but it is EXACTLY where they put it.


Firing a board that they appointed, replacing them with the same old white guy that they appointed as OA last time isn't designed to fix anything. It's being done to give the illusion of progress.


If they want to fix health care, where are the funds to hire more staff? Where is the respectful discourse with unions and employees to ensure a happy and productive workforce? Instead they insult doctors, disparage nurses and renege on contracts.

[D as in David]

Danielle Smith is the Ivermectin (or possibly bleach injection) solution to curing what ails AHS.

[TheIronMaiden]

I can say with 100% certainty that private health insurance companies will not improve bureaucratic inefficiencies. As long as they agree with that, then I am happy for the government to work on solutions.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

I mean, kudos for admitting that you have no idea and your previous statement was ignorant (while lacking the self-awareness to notice that you did exactly what you suggested others are doing). Next time, it might be wiser to simply not make the statement in the first place, but you do you.



How can you expect a nurse to know how to fix it? They are 1/120,000th of the system. An important part to be sure, but just a small cog in an immense and complex system.



AHS is a huge bureaucracy. It has enormous inefficiencies in some areas and colossal efficiencies in others. It can take months (years?) for changes to percolate through the system. It isn't broken or foolproof. It can absolutely be improved and efforts should continually be made to do so.



But the Conservatives in Alberta aren't interested in improving it at all. If they were, they had approximately 60 years of leadership to do something about it. They are hand-wringing about the plight of health care, but it is EXACTLY where they put it.


Firing a board that they appointed, replacing them with the same old white guy that they appointed as OA last time isn't designed to fix anything. It's being done to give the illusion of progress.


If they want to fix health care, where are the funds to hire more staff? Where is the respectful discourse with unions and employees to ensure a happy and productive workforce? Instead they insult doctors, disparage nurses and renege on contracts.

You're just approving my points. It isnt as simple as just 'give them more money.'

Thats an element of it, resources are important, but its also important that those resources arent just being tossed into a bottomless pit.

It isnt somethin where you can just toss cash at it and assume that it'll be fixed. Listen to the people who operate and live within that system and what they think the solutions are as opposed to appointing completely unknowledgeable outside observers who think they know the answers.

Simply throwing money at a problem does not equate to fixing it.

All I've said is that I think that the people who live and operate within that system on a daily basis might have some insight into how to make it more efficient as opposed to external entities who want to parachute in and make changes as they see fit.

This is the difficulty of the Health system, these people arent mercenaries who just go where the money is, they feel Health Care is a calling, a lifestyle, and they do a very difficult job under brutal circumstances.

Lets listen to what they have to say and help them.

Yes, its going to cost money. And I'm 100% okay with that, if the outcome is delivering better services and a better quality of life for the people who work within AHS.

Is funding the real problem? Because I havent met too many people that oppose health care spending. Its what its spent on that generates controversy.

I'd wager that you could double AHS' funding and nobody would even notice. Thats a problem.

[iggy_oi]

Vague vague vague

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Vague vague vague

I can only operate to a point with the information that I have.

If you want me to be more specific then hire me as the GM of AHS. But you cant do that, all you can do is complain.

At the end of the day though, I firmly believe that while AHS has issues to resolve, Smith and her UCP cronies shouldnt lay a finger on it.

I have 0% confidence that those people either care about Albertans nor do they have any clue as to what they're doing.

I wouldnt trust Smith to walk my dog while I'm on vacation. The sooner she is launched into the Sun the better.

Further, I didnt vote for her. Call an election. Now.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Danielle Smith is the Ivermectin (or possibly bleach injection) solution to curing what ails AHS.

Danielle Smith’s philosophy on all of the changes she is making:

https://youtu.be/jKofnVkUwBA

[GGG]

I think asking the people who work in the system is part of the solution but it isn’t a random anecdotal process.

It’s painstakingly going through every task and having a small multidisciplinary group try to make it more efficient. Then have a second group implement the revised process in one location. Then evaluate if the performance improves. Then deal with the unintended consequences of the change. Then roll out the changes across the organizations. Then deal with the places that operate differently that you broke with the new process.

Then 2-5 years later you see improvements after doing this process continuously and increasing stress on workers forcing them to change. If an only if the government didn’t change hands and cut the funding or change the goals of the work.

It will be painful, incremental, and the system not getting worse is actually a sign of continuous improvement.

[RedHot25]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1593669950828597249

https://twitter.com/user/status/1593670059314282497

[RedHot25]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1593767427396861954

[Locke]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

https://twitter.com/user/status/1593669950828597249

https://twitter.com/user/status/1593670059314282497

No. This woman needs to be stopped. She needs to be catapulted into the Sun.

She is exclusively and categorically wrong.

The AHS system has flaws, but even with those flaws it is still typically excellent.

It is a system that can be fixed, but pay-per-use and privatization is so ass backwards...it shouldnt even be on the table.

Only an idiot would want this.

[GGG]

The proposed solution implies that the issue with a lack of GPs is unnecessary use. If unnecessary use was a proven cause of the problems in health care than charging a nominal fee could help to solve that problem at the risk of people deferring treatment and getting sicker.

I think the complaints about a user pay model being bad because it’s user pay miss the point. The proposed solution is terrible because it isn’t trying to address a specific problem and metrics to evaluate if the proposed solution works haven’t been established.

It’s trying to address a problem that doesn’t exist.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Locke

No. This woman needs to be stopped. She needs to be catapulted into the Sun.

She is exclusively and categorically wrong.

The AHS system has flaws, but even with those flaws it is still typically excellent.

It is a system that can be fixed, but pay-per-use and privatization is so ass backwards...it shouldnt even be on the table.

Only an idiot would want this.

Attacking the healthcare process in Canada is pretty much political suicide, she can spin it however she wants but if she keeps pushing...well then that is that for her and the UCP.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Attacking the healthcare process in Canada is pretty much political suicide, she can spin it however she wants but if she keeps pushing...well then that is that for her and the UCP.

I am offended that our elected leadership can abdicate and some rando can just step in despite not having been elected by the populace.

If Kenny wants to pound sand thats his business, but the sitting Government shouldnt be able to just place whoever the hell else in his place.

Let her stand and be elected like anyone else.

The moment that the Government lost confidence in Kenny and he resigned is the moment we should have had another election.

If that had happened the Honourable Ms. Smith or whatever her BS Government title is would still be pandering on talk radio.

This person, Smith, is clearly a few cards short of a full deck.

[iggy_oi]

Nm

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Locke

I am offended that our elected leadership can abdicate and some rando can just step in despite not having been elected by the populace.

If Kenny wants to pound sand thats his business, but the sitting Government shouldnt be able to just place whoever the hell else in his place.

Let her stand and be elected like anyone else.

The moment that the Government lost confidence in Kenny and he resigned is the moment we should have had another election.

If that had happened the Honourable Ms. Smith or whatever her BS Government title is would still be pandering on talk radio.

This person, Smith, is clearly a few cards short of a full deck.

100% an election should be called sooner than later. She got canned from her talk show, a few business failures... so sadly, all this one seems to be good for is politics.