2016 NHL Draft

[Erick Estrada]

I would like Brown a lot better if he didn't have motivation issues as while some players can mature and develop a strong work ethic some never do and a player that lacks motivation now will be hard to motivate especially when he's signed to a guaranteed contract. The fact that scouts are worried enough about his work ethic to drop him down their lists is a pretty big red flag IMO.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would like Brown a lot better if he didn't have motivation issues as while some players can mature and develop a strong work ethic some never do and a player that lacks motivation now will be hard to motivate especially when he's signed to a guaranteed contract. The fact that scouts are worried enough about his work ethic to drop him down their lists is a pretty big red flag IMO.

Given how much the Flames value character, I doubt they would take Brown unless they believe this issue has been overblown.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

You never know!

Gary Roberts scored 6.2% of that team's goals that year.
Nieuwendyk scored 14.4% of that team's goals that year
Loob scored 7.6% of that team's goals.


If these percentages were applied to our 11th ranked offense (229 goals), you would need:

Ferly to score 14 goals
Jankowski to score 33 goals (okay, this is probably Monahan territory, Weisbrod jokes aside)
Keller to score 17 goals

If these percentages were applied to the Stars' top offense, you would need:

Ferly to score 16 goals
Monahan to score 38 goals
Keller to score 20 goals

I think Ferly can become a 14 to 16 goal scorer with a Mony and Keller feeding him. If you don't believe that, I think you're maybe a lot more on the Matthew Tkachuk wagon.

[_Q_]

At 5'10 I wouldn't say Keller is really that small. Below average for an NHLer? Sure, but he's not tiny. Plus he isn't even 18 yet, he can grow another inch or so and put on 15 pounds before he cracks the NHL. A very talented winger at roughly 5'11, 190 lbs isn't going to hurt this team.

[BIG M]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would like Brown a lot better if he didn't have motivation issues as while some players can mature and develop a strong work ethic some never do and a player that lacks motivation now will be hard to motivate especially when he's signed to a guaranteed contract. The fact that scouts are worried enough about his work ethic to drop him down their lists is a pretty big red flag IMO.

Logan Brown, Centre
6-6, 220 lbs., Shoots Left
2015-2016: 59 GP, 21 G, 53 A, 74 PTS

Logan Brown's play bettered as the season progressed getting 38 of his 74 points in the last 24 games which is a rate of 1.58 pts per game. Average for year was 1.25 which is greater than Getslaf's (0.97) at 17 years old.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Chiarelli on the top end of the draft from before the lottery
-talks about the 4-8, 4-9 being fairly interchangeable, could go anywhere
-priority for them is defense and getting bigger
-talks a bit about Tkachuk, Juolevi, Brown, Chychrun, Sergachev

https://www.facebook.com/sportsnet/v...2%3A%22R%22%7D

Reading into it he does seem to go on about Tkachuk the most in their interviews. I think if they stay at #4 that is probably their pick. But it does seem from everything they've said that they'd be comfortable moving down a few spots as well since they see 4-8, 4-9 as so close.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Brian Burke with John Shannon prior to the draft lottery. Didn't see this interview posted. Obviously some of it doesn't pertain as we didn't win but still interesting.
-maintains you take BPA, not positionally
-but says it two players are tied they value goalies most, then defensemen, then centres. So wing is the least important position theoretically for our management but only if players are tied
-good balance on the Flames between young D and young forwards
-Finns play most like Canadians vs other European countries
-ledge after 3, ledge after 8

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[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

What I don't get is people seem to be discounting Brown because of his size. Assuming that since he is big he must be a skill less plug.

The guy is talented and has great vision, hands, and hockey IQ while still being a decent skater.

The scouting reports don't discount Brown on any of those factors at all, the criticism of him is usually aimed towards his drive and work ethic.

When I watch some tape I do have some issues with him being a little floaty on the ice at times and not giving it 100% but then you see how dominating he can be when he puts it all together (U-18 vs Canada) and some of the concerns are washed away.

The Keller vs Brown comparisons always come down to size vs skill, which IMO is unfair since Brown is actually very skilled. The conversation for those two is actually size vs consistency/work ethic and really I'm not sure you can go wrong either way.

Would actually love to find a way to get both by trading back from 6 and using our assets to get two picks in the 10-14 range. Keller - Brown - Bennett as a line, sign me up.

i simply was not impressed with his tape from his regular season play, especially compared to a guy like Jones (who isn't getting much hype)... Jones is 6'3" is explosive and dynamic as a skater, speed, great edges, great shot.

comparing tape i've seen on the interwebz, i would defy anyone that says Brown looks better than Jones.

Now Brown's U18 tape is definitely better, and you can see some things that are tantilizing with that package. However, if Brown's main critique is motor and physicality, it mitigates his size advantage completely... Size doesn't matter if you don't use it.

I'll roll the dice with the kid with elite skill, non stop motor and decent size... Keller isn't a midget like some people are making him out to be...

edit: not saying Keller is a "must" either... if we could trade back and get a Jones and a Jost, I would be absolutely thrilled with that deal

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Is Keller as good as Gaudreau? I don't YouTube scout at all, and pretty much get all my prospect info from this site. Some of you seem to be selling Keller as the next Kane/JH, are the pro scouts in agreement with you?

The reports seem to moreso be selling him as a Doug Gilmour type. So maybe not the most skilled player in the world but skilled enough to be a mainstay in thw top 10-20 scoring while never selling you short elsewhere on the ice. His skill and hockey sense is certainly high-end, IMO only Auston Matthews seems more purely skilled in this draft and the Lotto screwed us out of him and Laine.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The reports seem to moreso be selling him as a Doug Gilmour type. So maybe not the most skilled player in the world but skilled enough to be a mainstay in thw top 10-20 scoring while never selling you short elsewhere on the ice. His skill and hockey sense is certainly high-end, IMO only Auston Matthews seems more purely skilled in this draft and the Lotto screwed us out of him and Laine.

I've seen comparisons to both Marner and Gilmour. So, gritty and skilled?

[VladtheImpaler]

Having read the THN draft preview, I am even more convinced that trading down is the way to go. I like everyone 4-20ish about the same - the only two I would stay away from are Gauthier and McLeod, and McLeod is still good. I would much rather draft 2 of those 15 guys than any particular one.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I've seen comparisons to both Marner and Gilmour. So, gritty and skilled?

He seems that way to me. Gritty in the Paul Byron / Tyler Johnson sense rather than the ****-disturber Brad Marchand / Jordin Tootoo sense though.

[dissentowner]

I am not going to comment on top 3 because we know what that is already. Here is my preference for a Flames top 5 list that might be available at #6.

1. Dubois. He is exactly what we need, a big physical guy we can play on the wing to open up space for that 1st line and win board battles. Not the most skilled guy but he does everything above average.

2. Tkatchuk. Such a smart player who brings some sand paper to the game as well. Above average passer, great hockey IQ, good shot and soft hands. Some people seem to think his linemates make him look better than he is but it is not true. He is a beaut, wish he was a RH shot though.

3. Nylander. First off, Nylander is not "undersized". He is not a banger but he is probably the 3rd most skilled player in the draft. Elite hockey IQ and shot, above average speed with elite agility. Can make something out of nothing like JG. Not a perimeter guy like some think, will go to tough areas to score. Also a RH shot.

4. Olli Joelevi. Is so unbelievably talented and composed for his age. Was unreal at the WJC. Some compare to Matta but I think that has more to do with the Knights connection than anything else, he is a much better D man than Matta. Not physical but extremely smart. Knows when to rush with the puck without hurting team defensively, great passer, good shot.

5. Keller. Size is nice but I always say take the best hockey player over size and Keller is it. Can make something out of nothing, will be better served as an NHL winger imo. Just oodles of talent and skill.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am not going to comment on top 3 because we know what that is already. Here is my preference for a Flames top 5 list that might be available at #6.

1. Dubois. He is exactly what we need, a big physical guy we can play on the wing to open up space for that 1st line and win board battles. Not the most skilled guy but he does everything above average.

2. Tkatchuk. Such a smart player who brings some sand paper to the game as well. Above average passer, great hockey IQ, good shot and soft hands. Some people seem to think his linemates make him look better than he is but it is not true. He is a beaut, wish he was a RH shot though.

3. Nylander. First off, Nylander is not "undersized". He is not a banger but he is probably the 3rd most skilled player in the draft. Elite hockey IQ and shot, above average speed with elite agility. Can make something out of nothing like JG. Not a perimeter guy like some think, will go to tough areas to score. Also a RH shot.

4. Olli Joelevi. Is so unbelievably talented and composed for his age. Was unreal at the WJC. Some compare to Matta but I think that has more to do with the Knights connection than anything else, he is a much better D man than Matta. Not physical but extremely smart. Knows when to rush with the puck without hurting team defensively, great passer, good shot.

5. Keller. Size is nice but I always say take the best hockey player over size and Keller is it. Can make something out of nothing, will be better served as an NHL winger imo. Just oodles of talent and skill.

I can't say I'd be disappointed if we took any of these guys. Would Jost be a consideration as well?

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Brian Burke with John Shannon prior to the draft lottery. Didn't see this interview posted. Obviously some of it doesn't pertain as we didn't win but still interesting.
-maintains you take BPA, not positionally
-but says it two players are tied they value goalies most, then defensemen, then centres. So wing is the least important position theoretically for our management but only if players are tied
-good balance on the Flames between young D and young forwards
-Finns play most like Canadians vs other European countries
-ledge after 3, ledge after 8

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I agree with the order in which Burke prioritizes player positions. However, how often are goalie prospects "tied" with winger prospects in terms of quality? They would be evaluated on vastly different metrics.

Perhaps they assign a value to the potential ceiling of the player? Maybe the projected trade value? Maybe the Flames use numbers and statistics on prospects that allow for easy comparisons in terms of value.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I can't say I'd be disappointed if we took any of these guys. Would Jost be a consideration as well?

Certainly after that group. Really skilled guy who is not tall but seems to have decent strength and weight. I just like the other 5 more but Jost would not upset me at all. He is going to be a player, would definitely use him in the wing though instead of centre.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I can't say I'd be disappointed if we took any of these guys. Would Jost be a consideration as well?

I'd take him over Keller but I think both would be reaches at #6

[iloveicedhockey]

Based on the ledges, only the best of the d men or nylander wouldn't be reaches at 6, assuming tkachuk and Dubois go 4 and 5.

[GranteedEV]

Pronman's list

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/top-100...ry?id=39091742

[Ashasx]

well what am i paying ESPN insider for?