2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[mrchristy31]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I would accept such a return if it were their 2021 pick (top 10 protected)

Huh? Why would you want San Jose's pick to be top 10 protected? A little backwards, no?

[powderjunkie]

Meier + TBL 1st+ is interesting...not sure I like it any better than Domi+16.. I don't think SJ gives up a 1st that isn't perennially lottery protected at this point, which could be a while...

Meier has 3x6M left, but he will be RFA at that expiry.

I don't think SJ gives up a valuable young player unless they can package them with a bad deal. Kane, Burns, and Jones all have 3 team trade lists (same with Couture and Hertl). Vlasic and Karlsson full NMC.

I don't think we want to bail them out of any of those, anyways. Better to know that we're simply competing in a 7 team division + the decrepit Sharks.

[Poe969]

The return on Johnny has to be drastically good. He's given a vote of confidence to the team that he wants to stay there so they aren't forced to deal him...yet. The Flames will set a price in their minds and teams will have to meet that price or there won't be a trade. If the sharks offer that, BT says no thank you and that's it.

It really is going to be a sellers market for Gaudreau. The Flames aren't in a spot where they have to trade him. He's still under contract for 2 seasons and if they so choose, they can trade him next summer or at the deadline of his expiring deal. The big thing to remember is there will be more than one team interested. That's huge. There will be a bidding war where BT can take the highest bid and when the auction is over, if he's not happy he can just keep him.

[Crown Royal]

never mind, misread

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by mrchristy31

Huh? Why would you want San Jose's pick to be top 10 protected? A little backwards, no?

I wouldn't "want" it to be, but realistically it would be because they aren't going to be good next year

[Flash Walken]

If the team is trying to re-tool it puts a lot more pressure on the return being drastically good than if they signal this to be the start of a rebuild where the bulk of the return is in futures.

Trading gaudreau for players and then missing the playoffs next year would be really bad.

Trading gaudreau for futures and missing the playoffs next year while getting Glencross/Hudler style returns for Ryan and Bennett wouldn't be so bad.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I wouldn't "want" it to be, but realistically it would be because they aren't going to be good next year

Trying to make trade propositions balanced towards the enemy isn’t how you’re suppose to do this here.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Two wingers non-exempt from the expansion draft and the 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th, or 31st is not worth trading Gaudreau for - and no, there will be better returns than that.

You are severely underrating Gaudreau, and also not addressing any of the structural issues with this team (weak D, weak C)

That Montreal return is significantly better because Domi is better than both of those players and you're getting 16th overall not the tail end of the 1st round - a worlds difference.

In no way is Domi better than Meier, Domi is a 45 point a season player. Meier is bigger, younger and a better goal scorer. Domi is on par with Labanc.

[Flash Walken]

Meier and a late pick for Gaudreau + Ryan and then Signing Hall could be a hell of a retool.

The flames clear 4 million in capspace, gain 4 years of team control instead of 2 and run a significantly improved 3 zone top 6.

[Monahammer]

meier+lebanc+1st is superior to the Montreal rumor. Lebanc is unteresting too. Has history with ras and mangi

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The return on Johnny has to be drastically good. He's given a vote of confidence to the team that he wants to stay there so they aren't forced to deal him...yet. The Flames will set a price in their minds and teams will have to meet that price or there won't be a trade. If the sharks offer that, BT says no thank you and that's it.

It really is going to be a sellers market for Gaudreau. The Flames aren't in a spot where they have to trade him. He's still under contract for 2 seasons and if they so choose, they can trade him next summer or at the deadline of his expiring deal. The big thing to remember is there will be more than one team interested. That's huge. There will be a bidding war where BT can take the highest bid and when the auction is over, if he's not happy he can just keep him.

Two important factors
- Declining value with less term remaining
- The triggering of the restrictive NTC. That will limit BT's ability to create a true bidding war

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Two important factors
- Declining value with less term remaining
- The triggering of the restrictive NTC. That will limit BT's ability to create a true bidding war

Also, another bad individual season.

Bring one season roved from 99 points still makes him a 99 point player.

2 seasons removed means maybe he's not that player.

Sort of like the question is Taylor hall a 93 point player or an often injured winger?

[David Struch]

I would hope the Flames asking price for Johnny would be the highest 2020 1st rounder + blue chip prospect.

[Harry Lime]

Mirtle lists Frederik Andersen, Alexander Kerfoot, Pierre Engvall, and Andreas Johnsson as pieces that could still be moved.

Out of that list, Engvall is a new one. Can play up and down the lineup and is paid 1.25M, which according to Dubas is 'too much for the fourth line', when Engvall has been playing primarily on the third line, when he's not being shuffled around.

15 points in 48 games as a primary PK specialist and covering injuries on literally every line during the season. Dubas is nuts. Pick him up for the rights to Rinaldo.

[Nelson]

If we were to make a deal with the SJS, I'd like:
-Timo Meier, Ryan Merkley, 2020/2021 1st for Gaudreau.

Ryan Merkley is a former 1st round pick, who is a RHD and who had 76 points last year. He has been well over a PPG each of the last three seasons in the OHL.

[Harry Lime]

Here's also a crazy one brought on by an article from Rick Carpinello of The Athletic, talking about the Rangers buying out Henrik Lundqvist...

Packaging the #1 overall with Hank's full 7 million over 2 seasons, and still bring in a decent return. I think that they would explore a lot of other options before it came to this, but it was definitely an interesting suggestion.

Johnny Gaudreau + 19th overall for the #1 overall (Laff) and Lundqvist to back up Rittich for two years. The money works.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Nelson

If we were to make a deal with the SJS, I'd like:
-Timo Meier, Ryan Merkley, 2020/2021 1st for Gaudreau.

Ryan Merkley is a former 1st round pick, who is a RHD and who had 76 points last year. He has been well over a PPG each of the last three seasons in the OHL.

Merkley is a tricky one. Lots of concerns about attitude, but elite talent.
His talent is such that he should have been a top 10 pick. But is he going to be another Josh Ho-Sang or actually mature?

[TheScorpion]

Oh man. If NY was dumb enough to do that I'd laugh that one to the bank.

[HighLifeMan]

Timo Meier is a significantly better player than Domi in my opinion. The problem however is that Meier’s contract will require him getting a 10M dollar qualifying offer at the expiration of his current deal. He is currently no where near being worth that, nor will he ever be.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by Nelson

If we were to make a deal with the SJS, I'd like:
-Timo Meier, Ryan Merkley, 2020/2021 1st for Gaudreau.

Ryan Merkley is a former 1st round pick, who is a RHD and who had 76 points last year. He has been well over a PPG each of the last three seasons in the OHL.

I think that's wishful thinking.

Getting Meier for Gaudreau on his own I think might be a stretch given his age.