[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Probably less depressing than as a Florida fan with their "culture of winning".

Their fans have already won. They get to spend the winter in Florida.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Their fans have already won. They get to spend the winter in Florida.

weather yes...everything else? not so much

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

that's why while having Tkachuk was great for production , he wasn't ever instrumental in winning

first his selfishness for points then his slow skating on display there and it burns the team

he's too me-first to be a core piece of a winning team

[Kasi]

Agreed but it’s yet to be determined if Huberdeau is any better.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Agreed but it’s yet to be determined if Huberdeau is any better.

Don't forget Weegar...Weegar/Zadorov has been great

Imagine Kylington back

Weegar/Zadorov
Raz/Hanifin
Tanev/Kylington

in no perticular order

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Don't forget Weegar...Weegar/Zadorov has been great

Imagine Kylington back

Weegar/Zadorov
Raz/Hanifin
Tanev/Kylington

in no perticular order

That's an insane defensive group. I really hope we get to see Kylington back this year.

He was such a catalyst for carrying the puck up the ice effectively. He was the exact defensemen we needed with the loss of Guadreau.

[AT77]

Originally Posted by bluejays

My theory is Huberdeau and anyone brought in were bound to have less points based on the Flames defence first system. I'm glad Johnny and Keith Jr were shipped out. I also wish Brad shipped Huberdeau out for a kings random of young talent but that's just me.

That’s exactly what I wanted as well, for Huberdeau and perhaps even Weeger to be shipped out for an insane amount of young talent, prospects, and picks. Our future rebuild would have been set, with eyes on Bedard this season. But nope, we still had to be in “win-now” mode, especially with Treliving and Sutter at the helm, and dumping a boat load of money on those two plus Kadri.

I never liked the trade for Huberdeau and Weeger. I understand Tkachuk wanted out and it had to be done. Actually, I liked it had we shipped Huberdeau and perhaps even Weeger out as mentioned above to kickstart our rebuild, but I disliked it when the contract extensions were handed out to them.

I mean, Huberdeau is a late bloomer who literally just had his peak prime years (ages 25-28), there’s no way he’s going to touch close to 115 points again with this line up, especially with going on his age 29 season this year and then 30 next year, he’s bound to start regressing, now we’re stuck with him at $10.5 mill per season for the next 8 years after this season.

As far as Weeger goes, dude was a 7th round pick. Yes, he’s done well and clearly shown he’s worth more than being a 7th round pick, which is a testament to his work ethic and how hard he’s practiced to get as good as he has, but he’s literally had 2 good seasons and people on here were talking about him being worth $7 million plus and being in the Norris conversation, I mean, talk about homers, but wow. He’s a good, reliable top 4 d-man, who can eat up top 2 minutes, but he’s not even close to a number 1 d-man or a Norris candidate for the love of god lol. I’m glad his contact wasn’t $7 mill plus, but even $6.25 mill x 8 is a bit steep for him. I would rather have kept him however and shipped out Huberdeau for sure, if not both of them.

And then there’s Kadri, who we all know had a career year playing on the best team in the league last year and would never come close to those numbers again. We are literally now handicapped with his and Huberdeau’s contracts for the foreseeable future, and even Weeger’s to a certain extent, with no Stanley Cup in sight, when we could have been on a fast tracked rebuild with picks/prospects from trading Huberdeau, perhaps Weager later on, not signing Kadri, and having eyes on Bedard or even the other top 3-5 prospects in this years draft.

But mostly everyone on here thought this was the greatest trade in the history of professional sports and the Stanley Cup should basically be handed to us at that point. Lol, homers I tell ya.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

shipping huberdeau might have been the best move

a kings ransom of picks and prospects probably would've helped the team more than 8 more years of huberdeau in his 30s

but the Flames were ready to sacrifice every goat in s. alberta for their little 3 year window .. which is now looking like it might not even be a thing

[memphusk]

Being a GM is being a Salesman also. How long has Treliving been GM now?

[shadowlord]

I'll eat crow on this - but at the end of last season, I figured Tkachuk's offensive totals were due to playing with Gaudreau and he'd never come anything close to that level of production without Johnny feeding him passes.

Seeing his performance in Florida I admit that I was wrong. And I guess all those years on Backlund's line was holding Chucky back.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by AT77

the greatest trade in the history of professional sports and the Stanley Cup should basically be handed to us at that point. Lol, homers I tell ya.

That's pretty weak.

I'd say 90% of those in favour of the trade were shocked they did so well given the situation, but were certainly not planning cup routes or proclaiming deal of the century.

In fact I think most on the site were getting agitated by all the Flames projections leading up to the season.

The Flames did very well in the transaction given the circumstances, and you can find plenty of folks out there suggesting that without being Flames fans or homers.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by AT77

That’s exactly what I wanted as well, for Huberdeau and perhaps even Weeger to be shipped out for an insane amount of young talent, prospects, and picks. Our future rebuild would have been set, with eyes on Bedard this season. But nope, we still had to be in “win-now” mode, especially with Treliving and Sutter at the helm, and dumping a boat load of money on those two plus Kadri.

I never liked the trade for Huberdeau and Weeger. I understand Tkachuk wanted out and it had to be done. Actually, I liked it had we shipped Huberdeau and perhaps even Weeger out as mentioned above to kickstart our rebuild, but I disliked it when the contract extensions were handed out to them.

I mean, Huberdeau is a late bloomer who literally just had his peak prime years (ages 25-28), there’s no way he’s going to touch close to 115 points again with this line up, especially with going on his age 29 season this year and then 30 next year, he’s bound to start regressing, now we’re stuck with him at $10.5 mill per season for the next 8 years after this season.

As far as Weeger goes, dude was a 7th round pick. Yes, he’s done well and clearly shown he’s worth more than being a 7th round pick, which is a testament to his work ethic and how hard he’s practiced to get as good as he has, but he’s literally had 2 good seasons and people on here were talking about him being worth $7 million plus and being in the Norris conversation, I mean, talk about homers, but wow. He’s a good, reliable top 4 d-man, who can eat up top 2 minutes, but he’s not even close to a number 1 d-man or a Norris candidate for the love of god lol. I’m glad his contact wasn’t $7 mill plus, but even $6.25 mill x 8 is a bit steep for him. I would rather have kept him however and shipped out Huberdeau for sure, if not both of them.

And then there’s Kadri, who we all know had a career year playing on the best team in the league last year and would never come close to those numbers again. We are literally now handicapped with his and Huberdeau’s contracts for the foreseeable future, and even Weeger’s to a certain extent, with no Stanley Cup in sight, when we could have been on a fast tracked rebuild with picks/prospects from trading Huberdeau, perhaps Weager later on, not signing Kadri, and having eyes on Bedard or even the other top 3-5 prospects in this years draft.

But mostly everyone on here thought this was the greatest trade in the history of professional sports and the Stanley Cup should basically be handed to us at that point. Lol, homers I tell ya.

61 games to go. Talk to me at the end of the season.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

I'll eat crow on this - but at the end of last season, I figured Tkachuk's offensive totals were due to playing with Gaudreau and he'd never come anything close to that level of production without Johnny feeding him passes.

Seeing his performance in Florida I admit that I was wrong. And I guess all those years on Backlund's line was holding Chucky back.

Yeah me too ... thought of him as an elite secondary piece, not the guy that stirs the drink.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah me too ... thought of him as an elite secondary piece, not the guy that stirs the drink.

I have no idea why so many thought this and were quick to discredit his achievements after he was traded.

Amazing counting stats.
Amazing analytics.
Has that “pest” side to his game.
Not afraid to get physical.

It’s kind of amazing the player he has become actually. He’s universally loved by old hockey men and the modern analytics crowd.

If his skating was better he might be in the conversation for top 3 player in the league.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

I'll eat crow on this - but at the end of last season, I figured Tkachuk's offensive totals were due to playing with Gaudreau and he'd never come anything close to that level of production without Johnny feeding him passes.

Seeing his performance in Florida I admit that I was wrong. And I guess all those years on Backlund's line was holding Chucky back.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah me too ... thought of him as an elite secondary piece, not the guy that stirs the drink.

It's hilarious to me because this is the exact same thing said about him in junior, that he fed off Marner's brilliance. Same thing happened in Calgary, but he just keeps producing well despite this perception. He's proved everybody wrong time and again. I wonder when people will just accept that he's a legitimate star in his own right and doesn't need anyone great around him to succeed.

I'm not even the biggest Tkachuk fan because I think he has some serious flaws, but it's not his offensive production. That's been definitively disproven at this point.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

I'll eat crow on this - but at the end of last season, I figured Tkachuk's offensive totals were due to playing with Gaudreau and he'd never come anything close to that level of production without Johnny feeding him passes.

Seeing his performance in Florida I admit that I was wrong. And I guess all those years on Backlund's line was holding Chucky back.

Me too. Never thought he was truly elite, was in the camp that he was riding Johnny's coattails.

He is definitely elite.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Don't forget Weegar...Weegar/Zadorov has been great

Imagine Kylington back

Weegar/Zadorov
Raz/Hanifin
Tanev/Kylington

in no perticular order

Exactly. Our injuries aren’t getting factored in enough. Last year was almost a perfect season for injuries

This year hadn’t been and Kylington isn’t getting mentioned enough maybe because he isn’t injured and Stone has played well but those 3 pairings when healthy are all as good as our best pairing last year

[powderjunkie]

Kinda interesting that both FLA and CGY are outside the playoffs by 1 pt at this moment (based on pt %).

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Their fans have already won. They get to spend the winter in Florida.

The serial killer capital of America.

[mile]

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