[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[DoubleK]

Compared to any other player who doesn't pass to open teammates.

There is a big difference between moving the puck effectively and dumping it in the corner, not sure what that is about.

Bennett was bad in Calgary and needed a change in scenery. Again not sure how he's relevant to a discussion about Kadri.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Puck hog compared to what though? Literally no one else on the team seems to even want the puck. I think Kadri's desire to make plays rather than just dump it into the freaking corner at every opportunity should be praised - not bemoaned.

Same situation with Bennett and the criticism he faced. Dude was trying to make plays while he was on the ice playing with anchors for line mates.

Huberdeau, Kadri, Lindholm, Toffoli are the only top-6 forwards this team has. Mangiapane's cliff dive has left this team in a really bad spot, as has Dube's failure to develop into anything more than a 4th line forward. I just don't think Kadri's play is something we should be targeting. Plenty is wrong with team without focusing in on our 2nd line centre who is producing like a 2nd line centre should be.

Seems like they are trying to have 3 balanced lines and have watered things down so much that almost anything would be better.

Might as well stick your best players together and see if we can at least develop one line that can put the puck in the net.

Huberdeau Kadri Lindholm

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

One thing Tkachuk does well - he is doing it in Florida exactly as he did in Calgary - he gets in front of the net on the PP, then drifts to the side, takes a pass and puts it in to the slot. Last year Lindholm was the beneficiary

Why can’t the Flames do that with someone else? Tkachuk is skilled, but it’s not like he’s some kind of PP genius. Who’s coaching the PP? They flat out abandon a proven strategic option because one guy leaves? And Florida just picks it up?

Gotta wonder - do they even coach / practice the PP?

Meh, guess you have to gain the zone

Panthers Powerplay 19%
Flames Powerplay 19%

tied in the bottom third of the league

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Panthers Powerplay 19%
Flames Powerplay 19%

tied in the bottom third of the league

Not the point.

Not surprised though

You keep being you

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Not the point.

Not surprised though

You keep being you

I thought the point was how much better the Panthers' power play is with Tkachuk doing amazing Tkachuk things, and how much worse the Flames' power play is without him.

In which case, dino7c's point is obviously out to lunch. Because 19% is sooooo much better than 19%.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Point wasn’t really about which team had a better PP on the whole, because there are a lot of contributors.

They added the Tkachuk weapon but lost a lot too. The Panthers are missing, you know, Huberdeau, right? They have done things a certain way for a long time too

The point was more so that one guy did one thing well and somehow the coaches couldn’t preserve it. And it’s not the Gaudreau / Huberdeau exceptional vision and passing. It’s a simple play as described. It plugs in easily.

It doesn’t replace everything that’s lost, but ideally should be a play option that’s additive

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Not the point.

Not surprised though

You keep being you

Lol just pointing it out...you certainly sounded like the Panthers were the model to follow...Their PP is just as good/bad just like their record.

Flames miss Gaudreau on the PP far more than Tkachuk

I highly doubt you realized they had equal PP stats before your post.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Well what can I say? You’re wrong

I was talking about a play, by Matthew Tkachuk, that he took with him and uses in Florida. And the Flames abandoned. An observation about a play that Matthew Tkachuk uses effectively. In the Matthew Tkachuk thread. It’s really that simple

I am fully aware of how disappointing both teams have been. Unsurprising on the Florida side as I think the Tkachuk trade made them worse on the whole

Still, back to the point, that play works on the PP. I still don’t understand why the Flames don’t try to use it.

Like I said, you do you

[Kasi]

I think that’s likely part of why they keep trying Lucic on the power play since he could sit in front of the net and do that. But his hands are really not good enough at this point in his career to pull it off.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well what can I say? You’re wrong

I was talking about a play, by Matthew Tkachuk, that he took with him and uses in Florida. And the Flames abandoned. An observation about a play that Matthew Tkachuk uses effectively. In the Matthew Tkachuk thread. It’s really that simple

I am fully aware of how disappointing both teams have been. Unsurprising on the Florida side as I think the Tkachuk trade made them worse on the whole

Still, back to the point, that play works on the PP. I still don’t understand why the Flames don’t try to use it.

Like I said, you do you

and you do you...whatever that means

[AT77]

I love the chaos that I have created by bumping this thread

[activeStick]

A good reminder from players who actually knew Tkachuk when he was a Flame.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1597309585270112257

[Flamesfan05]

100 pt would be low end for Tkachuk the way he is playing

[Your Calgary Flames!]

The only thing that matters is raising the cup.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Your Calgary Flames!

The only thing that matters is raising the cup.

Well, as a Flames fan…that’s a depressing thought.

[Your Calgary Flames!]

And I agree. But in the end it doesn’t matter about any player or ex players stats, it’s about winning. Of course we can get into more individual points lead to winning but the main goal is team play and team chemistry also wins cups.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Well, as a Flames fan…that’s a depressing thought.

Probably less depressing than as a Florida fan with their "culture of winning".

[bluejays]

My theory is Huberdeau and anyone brought in were bound to have less points based on the Flames defence first system. I'm glad Johnny and Keith Jr were shipped out. I also wish Brad shipped Huberdeau out for a kings random of young talent but that's just me.

[dino7c]

Tkachuk got two points but blew it in the final seconds being selfish and also falling down in OT (that's why Sutter didn't start you)...lost both Oiler games this season

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

there's the Tkachuk we know