I am sorry none of those things translate to the on ice success like the way that franchise has put together. I think there is something there, what a turn around for that franchise. I want to know the secret sauce.
It started with good ownership that hired and empowered management to do the job the right way. Viola is a major reason for the turn around, followed closely by the guy he hired in Zito.
The secret sauce is smart people and good management. It's not weather or taxes or any of the other bull#### because that's been around the Panthers since they came into the league and they were terrible for a long time.
Smart people at the top, success and growth mindset, hire good people and empower them.
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They also had a bunch of high draft picks hit, some of which they traded for star players... a lot has to go right to be in a position to repeat as champs at this point. Barkov alone gets you a long way, for the same reason that Bergeron as 1C meant the Bruins were good for over a decade. Still have to put the right pieces around him of course.
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It started with good ownership that hired and empowered management to do the job the right way. Viola is a major reason for the turn around, followed closely by the guy he hired in Zito.
The secret sauce is smart people and good management. It's not weather or taxes or any of the other bull#### because that's been around the Panthers since they came into the league and they were terrible for a long time.
Smart people at the top, success and growth mindset, hire good people and empower them.
I don't really get the point you're trying to make.
Having advantages doesn't guarantee that you'll succeed, and lacking advantages doesn't guarantee you'll fail. However, having advantages does make it easier to succeed, and lacking advantages makes it tremendously harder to succeed.
Florida was bad for a bunch of years... ok? Does that mean lower taxes and good weather to attract free agents isn't an advantage? Of course it's an advantage.
Just because the Panthers took a long time to become competitive, doesn't mean that they didn't have a big advantage on their side... it just means they squandered it with bad management.
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Their management was extra bad to suck despite all the advantages now they are combining good management with the advantages
Lets also be real too, there is plenty of luck involved...They were trying to get rid of 10M backup Bob, he wasn't even the starter the first of these three playoff years. Ironically if Marchand scores on that breakaway and they are done in 5 vs. Boston who knows.
Suddenly he returns to a top playoff goalie and one of the biggest reasons for their success.
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I don't really get the point you're trying to make.
Having advantages doesn't guarantee that you'll succeed, and lacking advantages doesn't guarantee you'll fail. However, having advantages does make it easier to succeed, and lacking advantages makes it tremendously harder to succeed.
Florida was bad for a bunch of years... ok? Does that mean lower taxes and good weather to attract free agents isn't an advantage? Of course it's an advantage.
Just because the Panthers took a long time to become competitive, doesn't mean that they didn't have a big advantage on their side... it just means they squandered it with bad management.
Um okay, sure, but the reality is that it's a minor factor at best.
Yes, if choosing between Florida and Winnipeg, 8/10 will probably choose Florida. However, if Florida was still terrible and Winnipeg was on the verge of winning a cup, 9/10 players would probably choose Winnipeg.
Winning cures all, and perpetual losing can ruin a franchise's reputation. This is why I'm glad the Flames are still somewhat competitive and are maintaining a strong culture of trying to win. THAT is an advantage that will attract free agents where weather maybe does not.
I'm also subtly implying that the reason it didn't work in Calgary with some of these same players is because of poor top down management, from ownership interfering in management (not empowering by having to sign off on big trades/FA signings etc), to a GM that had blind spots, to terrible coaching hires. If you asked me which franchise had the better chances of winning a cup in 2016 or so, I would have easily said the Flames over the Panthers.
Having the right people at the top of organizations is a big deal, much more than the weather, which players don't have the time to enjoy during much of the season anyway.
Besides, summers in south Florida (the time where players can actually enjoy the local weather) are almost uninhabitable because of heat and humidity. This is why I'm currently in Asheville, North Carolina for the next 2 months.
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Holy #### I didn't notice how after going around Walman Marchand used his stick to put weight on Walman's skate to keep Walman from turning into his path interfering with his deke. Sends him straight towards the net while he dips to the right and sneaks the puck in. How the hell does he do so many things in such quick succession? Incredible.
Marchand is just uber dialed in. He trains and practices harder than anyone all summer. Some guys are just wired that way.
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Their management was extra bad to suck despite all the advantages now they are combining good management with the advantages
Lets also be real too, there is plenty of luck involved...They were trying to get rid of 10M backup Bob, he wasn't even the starter the first of these three playoff years. Ironically if Marchand scores on that breakaway and they are done in 5 vs. Boston who knows.
Suddenly he returns to a top playoff goalie and one of the biggest reasons for their success.
They were run by captain tank (Dale Tallon) who spent half his career in a first row seat for the draft lottery. He's was very good at making teams so bad that they accumulate a plethora of high draft picks in similar fashion to the Oilers decade plus of futility where eventually things will stick.
It's funny how little the Panthers gave up four their biggest playoff performers.
Bennett for a second and a prospect
Reinhart for a first and a prospect
Marchand for a first
Forsling off waivers
Tkachuk is really the only player that has to give up real assets for.
And even with all those amazing moves that are likely near impossible to replicate, the team likely isn't the contender it is without Barkov and Ekblad. And to a lesser extent Huberdeau to get Tkachuk. Which to me shows you need to utilize every avenue to build an elite team. If you don't, good luck hoisting a cup.
Um okay, sure, but the reality is that it's a minor factor at best.
Yes, if choosing between Florida and Winnipeg, 8/10 will probably choose Florida. However, if Florida was still terrible and Winnipeg was on the verge of winning a cup, 9/10 players would probably choose Winnipeg.
I strongly disagree with this. For starters, winning is not guaranteed particularly championships. So I'm sure players think about where an organization is but Winnipeg was the best team in the regular season - if that doesn't mean they are a contender what does?
There is absolutely no question in my mind that markets like Florida, California and NY hold an advantage. And it's been demonstrated time and time again.
That doesn't mean Florida doesn't get credit for building a great team. They have made a ton of really savvy and smart decisions.
But is their location an advantage? Of course it is. A minor one? No way.
Tkachuk certainly didn't put Winnipeg on the list of teams he would re-sign with did he?
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I strongly disagree with this. For starters, winning is not guaranteed particularly championships.
Yep. In any given 5 or 6 year period a handful of teams will remain contenders, and a handful will remain cellar-dwellers, but most are going to bounce around in the 8th to 24th overall range. And even the contenders will have long odds of winning a Cup.
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I strongly disagree with this. For starters, winning is not guaranteed particularly championships. So I'm sure players think about where an organization is but Winnipeg was the best team in the regular season - if that doesn't mean they are a contender what does?
There is absolutely no question in my mind that markets like Florida, California and NY hold an advantage. And it's been demonstrated time and time again.
That doesn't mean Florida doesn't get credit for building a great team. They have made a ton of really savvy and smart decisions.
But is their location an advantage? Of course it is. A minor one? No way.
Tkachuk certainly didn't put Winnipeg on the list of teams he would re-sign with did he?
Rangers are a perfect example of a team that has all the advantages in the world yet haven't been able to build a dynasty or even a Cup winner. They like any other team aren't immune to draft busts (Kakko, Lafrienier). In fact their drafting hasn't been good enough in general over the last decade. Just goes to show that there's a lot involved in building great teams and luck plays a major role.
Rangers are a perfect example of a team that has all the advantages in the world yet haven't been able to build a dynasty or even a Cup winner. They like any other team aren't immune to draft busts (Kakko, Lafrienier). In fact their drafting hasn't been good enough in general over the last decade. Just goes to show that there's a lot involved in building great teams and luck plays a major role.
Their re-build was a pretty big failure actually.
What turned things around were
- Drafting Shesterkin (full credit there)
- And then having two top of line-up players pick the Rangers, and only the Rangers to play for (Panarin and Fox)
Their re-build was a pretty big failure actually.
What turned things around were
- Drafting Shesterkin (full credit there)
- And then having two top of line-up players pick the Rangers, and only the Rangers to play for (Panarin and Fox)
The re-build itself? Pretty poorly executed.
Read Cathal Kelly opinion in sports section of todays Globe and Mail. Explains very well who and what you need at the mgt. and player level to win a cup!
Um okay, sure, but the reality is that it's a minor factor at best.
Yes, if choosing between Florida and Winnipeg, 8/10 will probably choose Florida. However, if Florida was still terrible and Winnipeg was on the verge of winning a cup, 9/10 players would probably choose Winnipeg.
Canada's had some good teams, but nobody is lining up to strongarm their way into those markets the way Tkachuk did with the flip-flop rinks. This is just a pretty wild downplay.
Full credit to the Panthers for building a strong team but they obviously had a lot of help getting there.
