[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[jkstuart12]

Don't love trading with Vegas. But it's making Oilers fans lose their minds, so that's worth it.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

The packages being tossed around these past few weeks were wild. It’s inevitable folks were going to be disappointed with the return when names like Misa have been thrown around lol.

My displeasure with the trade is entirely about the end result being Vegas when the answer should have been anyone but Vegas.

The speculation about how good it could have been is not the problem. Trading Andersson to Vegas feels like a betrayal.

[DropIt]

Unhappy with the return yet again.

[scobel]

I don’t mind the trade at all. Once it was clear an extension couldn’t be worked out with other teams (Boston being a good example), Conroy was likely operating under the reality that this was the best deal available without one.

I also don’t think this same offer would have been on the table last year. Andersson was struggling, and at that point the return probably would’ve been closer to a first-round pick and a B-level prospect. Getting more than that now reflects a rebound in value and better timing.

As for Abram Wiebe, while he isn’t a blue-chip prospect, he’s a legitimate project with a real NHL path (from what I have read, with quick google search), and the additional draft picks give the Flames more chances to land an impact player. That matters in a retool or rebuild where volume is key in addition to quality.

The reality is that Calgary was unlikely to come away with a top-10 pick or a true impact forward unless an extension was in place with Andersson—and based on rumoured reports, the contract he was seeking was at a very high price and he really wants to test free agency. Given those constraints, this return makes sense.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The greatest Rebiggle in NHL history continues !

Whitecloud will help the Flames D next year and our goal of being competitive !

This is a rebiggle type trade, that is for sure.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Sandman

We got a first and a second, that’s all that matters. The 2027 draft will be fun!

As someone who didn't like the trade, i'm hoping Conroy and the scouting staff can pull off some magic in the draft.

[Southside]

The return is probably fair. Whatever. But, have we not seen this movie before? Time to start dealing with pending UFAs the year prior. Blake Coleman needs to be moved now.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I stand by my comment. It was a garbage trade and should have someone fired, considering what we could have gotten last year.

If you want to defend the trade that is fine. I think it is the worst trade we have made in years, considering what we could have gotten at least years deadline.

Andersson was playing like crap last year. We have zero idea what he could have brought.

And you likely can't fire the owner.

I don't like the return, but it's a little better than I first thought, and I assume it's the best Conroy could get for a rental.

[Caged Great]

Yeah if the flames can get a 2nd for whitecloud, that’s not too bad. Just underwhelming

[Buff]

Originally Posted by browntrout

So wait a minute if Vegas wins the cup this year, finishes bottom 10 in 2027, Calgary already gets their 2028 1st round pick, what compensation are they getting for losing the 2027 1st round pick, is it getting deferred to 2029

There is no condition on the 2026 1st round pick anymore. It was originally a 2025 1st round pick if it was available because Vegas had plans to trade it, and they did, so the Flames wound up with the VGK 2026 1st round pick.


Now they have Vegas' 2026 1st round pick and their 2027 1st round pick and their 2028 2nd round pick which could become the 2028 1st round pick.

[Knut]

Also this trade improves our chance of being a lotto team. Which was the point you made 125X in the past few months

[IamNotKenKing]

We also have 5 of the first 65-70 or so picks this year, and assuming we suck next year, 5 of the first 65-70 or so then too.

[Aarongavey]

The regular passengers on the Calgarypuck bitch about Conroy clown car are getting their licks in tonight. After months of bitching about how the key was to trade Rasmus and the other assets and that the return does not matter they can now pivot to bitching about the return and about how Conroy should have got more. Optionality is important in life.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I stand by my comment. It was a garbage trade and should have someone fired, considering what we could have gotten last year.

If you want to defend the trade that is fine. I think it is the worst trade we have made in years, considering what we could have gotten at least years deadline.

On many occasions you said you didn't care about the return you just wanted him traded.

[jar_e]

Would love to know what the difference was between a retained Andersson and not. Seems like a waste of a retention spot especially when you’re depreciating your own asset (Vegas’ 2026 1st) with this trade.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction;9628894[B

]If Andersson wasn't willing to sign an extension, then there's nothing Conroy could do.[/B]

I think what makes it even harder these days is that nothing is secret anymore. Andersson and other players hear the same rumours as everyone else. If he prefers to play somewhere like Vegas and knows that they are interested, why would he sign on long term somewhere else if he knows he can probably join them in a few months?

I think for sure teams like Vegas leak the information to insiders in order to influence players. It's basically tampering but with extra steps to launder it enough that nothing can be done about it.

Anyway, I don't think the deal is bad. I could easily see Vegas taking a step back by the end of next season and that 1st becoming mid round pick.

The answer was move him at 2024 trade deadline, learned nothing from Hanifin deal.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

We really think Whitecloud is being acquired to be flipped for picks? Two more years on his deal, he’s just a late round pick at best, no? I assume Vegas needed to shed his money and contract more than anything.

Yes - he was a cap dump that we did not seem to get paid for. It only makes sense if we flip him in order to get value back.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I stand by my comment. It was a garbage trade and should have someone fired, considering what we could have gotten last year.

If you want to defend the trade that is fine. I think it is the worst trade we have made in years, considering what we could have gotten at least years deadline.

While there’s hyperbole in “worst trade in years” (losing Tkachuk for spare parts, Hanifin) the message here is right. If Conroy was my direct report and he fumbled a huge sellers market last TDL and this is the best he could do? It wouldn’t be a firing but one more mistake and he’d be seeing the door.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Baaarrden

Does Ras get booed when he returns to Calgary because he screwed us?

Ras did not screw us. He doesn't have to sign an extension he does not like just to help Calgary.

[Bert]

Just remember Brain Burke helped develope the program at athabasca university that you can take that basically helps show you what being a GM is like. I think it accepts 6 or 8 people a year. MBA in hockey. So go do the course and then get a job with the flames and show us how it’s done.

It happened, not the return we wanted and Andersson screwed us on the way out. It happens. Let’s see what other deals he makes and how this team finishes the year.

So many god damn fair weather fans. I’m sure if there was a better deal he would
Have taken it. If Rasmus said he ain’t extending at all, then I mean a bunch of teams were prolly pulling offers because they only wanted to pay the price needed if they got to extend him.

It happens, let’s not trash our GM who has dealt with a crap deal since he got hired. He’s managed to put us in a good spot going forward, let the man cook.