2023/2024 English Premier League Thread

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Why do I get the feeling you would have preferred they lost lol. Winning ugly is still winning, although it's pretty much all playing for second with the Man City juggernaut continuing to look unstoppable.

It isn't the wins or loses it is the pathetic way our loser fans react to it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Should they be depressed they won lol. Even Man City struggled to beat Sheffield, not every game is gonna be a five star masterclass. If nothing else you can be happy that after five league games there appears to be a clear style of play and some positive vibes. Meanwhile, Man United a full year into the Ten Hag era and ummm....yikes.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Should they be depressed they won lol. Even Man City struggled to beat Sheffield, not ever game is gonna be a five star masterclass.

There is a difference between being happy you won and claiming we are title favorites.

[Slava]

Well I guess I'm a loser fan but 70% possession, 28 attempts at goal with 10 on target is miles ahead of what we've seen for the past three years. It's not like we didn't deserve the win. I don't see anyone planning a parade, I just see fans happy to see a progressive, attacking team again. I thought we were losing that 1-0 and I was still happy to watch because it was good football.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Spurs

There is a difference between being happy you won and claiming we are title favorites.

I said this last year when there was a bunch of "lol Arsenal fans being delusional" takes, but if you wanna dig through social media you can always find the most extreme takes (you can find United fans that thought their title charge started today if you look hard enough). But most Spurs fans aren't delusional enough to think they are favourites, the ones in here have almost to a man said they are mostly happy to not be playing Haram Ball anymore, the good results are a nice bonus.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I said this last year when there was a bunch of "lol Arsenal fans being delusional" takes, but if you wanna dig through social media you can always find the most extreme takes (you can find United fans that thought their title charge started today if you look hard enough). But most Spurs fans aren't delusional enough to think they are favourites, the ones in here have almost to a man said they are mostly happy to not be playing Haram Ball anymore, the good results are a nice bonus.

I think you don't know many Spurs fans if you think that.

Our fans are dumb enough to think we are better off with Fat Ange than Conte. That shows the stupidity that our fans have.

[Winsor_Pilates]

We'll just have to bring Spurs back down to earth next week; when I'll be in attendance for my 1st North London Derby

[Barnet Flame]

I hope you're better luck than my friend from Indianapolis.

Every time he has been over here, for the past 15 years - we have failed to win - with a 0-0 draw the only tie a loss was avoided.

He also went to see Barcelona at the Nou Camp, and they lost as well - which was nice.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I think you don't know many Spurs fans if you think that.

Our fans are dumb enough to think we are better off with Fat Ange than Conte. That shows the stupidity that our fans have.

What in the world are you basing that on? Conte has an amazing track record and his time at Tottenham was basically garbage. I know he had personal issues and I completely understand that, but frankly that's when he should been a grown-up and left the club.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Imagine preferring Conte terrorism to playing on the front foot. Like that's it with Conte (and Mourinho), when you win with them you don't care that the quality of the football generally stinks, but they've both been left behind in recent years by refusing to adapt so you get bad football and bad results.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Slava

What in the world are you basing that on? Conte has an amazing track record and his time at Tottenham was basically garbage. I know he had personal issues and I completely understand that, but frankly that's when he should been a grown-up and left the club.

his time at Spurs was garbage? This is the kind of revisionist nonsense that drives me nuts.

Before Conte we finished 4th under Poch not winning a game away for the whole season, the team was clearly in a downfall with the CL fluke run papering over cracks. We then finished 6th and 7th. Conte comes in after Nuno has us 10th and 19th or 20th in every progressive/attacking stat and gets us to 4th with the 7th or 8th best squad in the league. That was a borderline miracle.

How is him getting us 4th after finishing 6th and 7th the two years before garbage? Even if you don't like the football there is no way that is garbage.

In his last year after a dog#### summer transfer window where Levy spends a ton to bring in players that Conte doesn't want or don't fit his system he still has us in 4th (6th if the teams behind us win their games in hand, unlikely) before leaving. The team then drops like a stone when Conte is no longer there to get this group of #### that he has to overplay their abilities.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Imagine preferring Conte terrorism to playing on the front foot. Like that's it with Conte (and Mourinho), when you win with them you don't care that the quality of the football generally stinks, but they've both been left behind in recent years by refusing to adapt so you get bad football and bad results.

Conte won the Serie A 3 years ago but sure the game has passed him by. He finished 4th in the PL 2 years ago with a weak team but sure the game has left him behind. Even Jose who I don't rate right now has still won the Conference League with Roma which is more than most and a bigger accomplishment than anything superstar Fat Ange has accomplished.

Conte didn't play terrorist football at Juve, Chelsea or Inter. The Inter teams especially were great to watch with the defenders and midfielders able to play the ball they way they could to create chances all over the pitch. It was only when he came to Spurs and had greats like Dier, Davies, Royal, PEH, Skipp, Richarlison to work with that the football became "terrible" even though it was better than anything he predecessors played.

Angeball is not that great to watch this year, it has relied 100% on other teams missing sitters, today needed the PL to mismange the extra time so they could fluke out a win against mighty Sheffield United and as usual couldn't do anything in the early rounds of the 1 Cup game we have played.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I want Spurs to win the league just to see your reaction lol. "Sure they won it all, but they suck and are lucky and should give it back, and give me Conteball over Fat Ange every time".

[Slava]

Conte did get us in the CL, and that was a miracle. It was particularly awesome because it was mostly about Arsenal crumbling, but I'll give him credit for that. But let's not gloss over his managerial prowess in Europe. He lost to Mura (or some club like that which I can't be bothered to google) in the Europa conference league. He showed nothing in CL. I don't need to rehash the domestic cups, but losses like 1-0 at a championship Middlesbrough weren't fun to watch.

And that terrible window you bring up? I mean they signed Perisic, Forster, Udogie, Bissouma, Richarlison, Spence and that was after January where they brought in Kulusevski and Bentancur. You may have noticed that Bissouma looks like a complete stud under Postecoglou? Richarlison and Kulusevski scored the goals today. Bentancur was excellent until his injury last year. Udogie is a great looking young player. The fact that Conte couldn't get things to work is on no one but him and his Jurassic period system that he's unwilling to change.

And sure, they were 4th when he finally parted ways. No one in their right mind was watching that and thinking they (a) had any right to be there (it was more about other clubs have a bad season) and (b) were in anyway going to make the CL and do anything. Everyone knew he was leaving and not renewing, he just dragged it out for an extra few months.

I feel bad for fans like you. It's as though you whinge and moan preemptively so that if things end up worse than you hope you can tell everyone you told us so. Under Conte, we lose that game 1-0, with maybe five attempts and none on target. He gives his presser where he complains about the transfer window and how he doesn't like club signings. Rinse and repeat. Always repeat.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Conte won the Serie A 3 years ago but sure the game has passed him by. He finished 4th in the PL 2 years ago with a weak team but sure the game has left him behind. Even Jose who I don't rate right now has still won the Conference League with Roma which is more than most and a bigger accomplishment than anything superstar Fat Ange has accomplished.

Conte didn't play terrorist football at Juve, Chelsea or Inter. The Inter teams especially were great to watch with the defenders and midfielders able to play the ball they way they could to create chances all over the pitch. It was only when he came to Spurs and had greats like Dier, Davies, Royal, PEH, Skipp, Richarlison to work with that the football became "terrible" even though it was better than anything he predecessors played.

Angeball is not that great to watch this year, it has relied 100% on other teams missing sitters, today needed the PL to mismange the extra time so they could fluke out a win against mighty Sheffield United and as usual couldn't do anything in the early rounds of the 1 Cup game we have played.

Well there was that much extra time because Sheffield was wasting an incredible amount of time. Sure, the game was mismanaged, and I have no idea what that ref was doing, but that's hardly something you can blame on Postecoglou.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well there was that much extra time because Sheffield was wasting an incredible amount of time. Sure, the game was mismanaged, and I have no idea what that ref was doing, but that's hardly something you can blame on Postecoglou.

I blame the fact they needed the added on extra time that should have never been given to get two fluke goals on Ange, not the fact the ref mismanged that.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Slava

Conte did get us in the CL, and that was a miracle. It was particularly awesome because it was mostly about Arsenal crumbling, but I'll give him credit for that. But let's not gloss over his managerial prowess in Europe. He lost to Mura (or some club like that which I can't be bothered to google) in the Europa conference league. He showed nothing in CL. I don't need to rehash the domestic cups, but losses like 1-0 at a championship Middlesbrough weren't fun to watch.

Poch lost to Colchester and Ghent, Jose lost to Dynamo Zagreb with a 2 goal cushion. Every manager we have had has bad losses in Europe and the Cups that are we saying they are all to blame or that there is an issue at the club when it happens over and over and over? As for CL he got us through the group and then we lost to a better AC Milan team not sure that is a negative on him.

But none of what you say makes his time at the club garbage.

And that terrible window you bring up? I mean they signed Perisic, Forster, Udogie, Bissouma, Richarlison, Spence and that was after January where they brought in Kulusevski and Bentancur. You may have noticed that Bissouma looks like a complete stud under Postecoglou? Richarlison and Kulusevski scored the goals today. Bentancur was excellent until his injury last year. Udogie is a great looking young player. The fact that Conte couldn't get things to work is on no one but him and his Jurassic period system that he's unwilling to change

Udogie was on loan all year so not sure adding him does anything for Conte. Forster sucks and was a back-up keeper another not great addition.

Richarlison is awful and showed he could only play through the middle and still sucks at that, and we already had Kane at the 9 so is that really a positive addition?

Spence couldn't hack it at Rennes in Ligue 1 let alone in the PL and Conte came out saying he didn't want him, you are saying that was a smart addition by the club?

That leaves Bissouma who struggled with injuries and looked awful in the 2 man MF that the club knew Conte was playing and Perisic. Not exactly a stellar window in any sense.

And sure, they were 4th when he finally parted ways. No one in their right mind was watching that and thinking they (a) had any right to be there (it was more about other clubs have a bad season) and (b) were in anyway going to make the CL and do anything. Everyone knew he was leaving and not renewing, he just dragged it out for an extra few months.

We didn't have any right to be there I agree, we were only there because of Conte's ability to get more out of the team than it had. Once he left that is why we fell off a cliff.

I feel bad for fans like you. It's as though you whinge and moan preemptively so that if things end up worse than you hope you can tell everyone you told us so. Under Conte, we lose that game 1-0, with maybe five attempts and none on target. He gives his presser where he complains about the transfer window and how he doesn't like club signings. Rinse and repeat. Always repeat.

It has nothing to do with told you so and everything to do with not overrating things after a few games like Spurs fan do every season. I can still remember the crowing when we were top of the table in December under Jose, 10 games unbeaten under Conte.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out the way the team is playing is unsustainable, that isn't whinging it is point out the truth.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I blame the fact they needed the added on extra time that should have never been given to get two fluke goals on Ange, not the fact the ref mismanged that.

Did you even watch the game? Neither goal was a fluke, and really not even close. One was a free header from a corner. The other was a shot from the top of the box.

And again...28 attempts at goal with 10 on target. Sheffield took the lead, but Spurs battered them. I can't even think of how you'd make a case for anything else.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Slava

Did you even watch the game? Neither goal was a fluke, and really not even close. One was a free header from a corner. The other was a shot from the top of the box.

And again...28 attempts at goal with 10 on target. Sheffield took the lead, but Spurs battered them. I can't even think of how you'd make a case for anything else.

The fluke comes from the fact the game should have been over before they even happened and the header was 100% terrible defending from Sheffield not anything good Spurs did.

[White Out 403]

I think it'll be pretty awesome if the Spurs won the league just to shut some people up. The amount of abuse that poor fan base puts up with is incredible.