2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Nah, I think you are hung up on the sunk cost of the trade that brought Huberdeau here. I think it totally made sense for them to go for it this past season and there was no way they were going to do it with Huberdeau and Weegar sitting there unextended. It didn't work out and now the Flames are at a way different crossroads than last offseason and if they have the option to trade Huberdeau then it might make sense even if it is 'pennies on the dollar'.

Huberdeau being on the team is basically the worst case for a rebuild. If he bounces back in a big enough way to get good value then the Flames are closer to the middle of the pack picks rather than high picks and if he continues to perform poorly then they are stuck with a huge chunk of cap that can be utilized better.

I think we can go into a season with Huberdeau on the books, but the combo of him, Kadri, Coleman and Markstrom is a lot to be carrying. If I had a choice who to get rid of it would be Kadri because of that length. Markstrom close second. Both guys will never live up to that contract long term (and in Markstrom's case, short term). Huberdeau I can sort of live with but the high price of four is tough, I think even the most optimist can agree on that!

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

It’s not nearly as illogical as you’re making it out to be.

A team that looks poised for some significant roster turnover, potentially falling back out of the playoff contention window, makes less sense to have someone like Huberdeau on the books.

Even if he bounces back to a PPG player, the contract is veryyy difficult to move in a cap world.

Why would we want or need to move it if he bounces back to a ppg player?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Why would we want or need to move it if he bounces back to a ppg player?

It's simply a gamble what the team thinks he's likely to move back to, right now. Simple fact is he's 30, and signed to 7 years after (presumably) reluctantly signing. Everything that could have gone wrong really did go wrong for him and the coaching situation. The question is what is the reasonable expectation for him to match that contract, and what are his chances of getting there? From there you ask what if he doesn't? What will it mean to the team salary structure and what are the chances of signing him if he has a second mediocre season (say, 70 points?). A lot of questions, but I think it's simply about risk mitigation on a 30 year old player who's likely peaked.

[musth]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Out of curiosity, let's say Huberdeau is playing for the Blues and just had the season he had and the current contract, he becomes available, what would you trade off the Flames to acquire?

This is not even a thought exercise - we dont have anyone to trade?

All I'm saying is that he had a bad season, and we've since found out how bad things really were. I'm fully expecting him to rebound to the type of player he's been prior to last year. Maybe not LW record assist, but right up there. We've also got to find him some linemates and situations that play to his skill. It wasn't completely on him. Game minutes, PP time PK time, suitable linemates (instead of gronks) - he was misused plain and simple

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We are not rebuilding. It's been stated many times we might retool with younger players but they aren't rebuilding.

They might be forced into if all the UFAs want out. They can call it a retool but it’s basically what happened when the Iggy era crumbled but this time they might actually get some assets back for their players.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I think we can go into a season with Huberdeau on the books, but the combo of him, Kadri, Coleman and Markstrom is a lot to be carrying. If I had a choice who to get rid of it would be Kadri because of that length. Markstrom close second. Both guys will never live up to that contract long term (and in Markstrom's case, short term). Huberdeau I can sort of live with but the high price of four is tough, I think even the most optimist can agree on that!

I agree but I could see someone taking a swing on Huberdeau if they think he is an elite guy who was terribly misused. Can’t see anyone touching Kadri unless a similar contract is coming back

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How do you know?

He said having 5 straight 90+ point seasons justifys paying someone 10.5m+. Both Mackinnon and Pastrnak haven’t. Also, Huberdeau was coming off 4 straight seasons over a point a game when he signed the big deal. The two full seasons he played during that stretch were 90+ point seasons. His contract is not looking great right now, but it’s not hard to see why he got 10.5m

[Paulie Walnuts]

That twitter account that's been reporting Flames news RCMPDave is saying one of the free agents has agreed to sign.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That twitter account that's been reporting Flames news RCMPDave is saying one of the free agents has agreed to sign.

Is he talking about Lewis, Lucic, Ritchie, Stecher and Stone? Those are our 'Free Agents'.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That twitter account that's been reporting Flames news RCMPDave is saying one of the free agents has agreed to sign.

As Sec said, might want to be a little more specific than that. Is it a free agent of 2023, or 2024?

[iloveicedhockey]

He said July 1, so one of next year's. I'm guessing Dube because I love the chaos of the UFAs.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Why would we want or need to move it if he bounces back to a ppg player?

The reasons not to do it outweigh the reasons to do it, my point was moving him is not as crazy as ER made it out to be.

But for arguments sake in the dead of the off-season:

His contract was initially signed to build a competitive, win-now team that had their cup window open. You also sign that contact knowing the last few seasons of it will be tough to swallow, and he’ll likely underperform vs what he’s paid. Last season, coupled with the likely departures of some key pieces, has changed this picture dramatically.

Whatever you want to label it, we’re headed into a transition period. Free agents will move on in some capacity, and roster turnover is inevitable, likely resulting in an inferior on-ice product.

If I’m the flames, I consider moving out big money like Huberdeau so that you can weaponize your cap space to accumulate assets and minimize the hurt. Even if you feel like you’re selling the asset low, you’re likely headed into a ‘recession’. Things with him could stand to get worse and then it’s a near impossible contract to move.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sorry here is the link

https://twitter.com/user/status/1670918710582996993

Seems like he has had info before who knows.

[agulati]

The same guy also retweeted this tweet a few hours back.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1670900867091009536

[keenan87]

I truly hope its not Backlund. Please trade him so the Flames can finally move on from the old core that won absolutely nothing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It would seem like Lindholm or Hanifin and those are the 2 with more urgency because of the value in a trade and the draft next wee.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is Lindholm and they threw a 9 million aav his way. Unless he truly started to hate it here why would you turn that down.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I truly hope its not Backlund. Please trade him so the Flames can finally move on from the old core that won absolutely nothing.

Trade Backlund, hanifin and maybe tanev.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It would seem like Lindholm or Hanifin and those are the 2 with more urgency because of the value in a trade and the draft next wee.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is Lindholm and they threw a 9 million aav his way. Unless he truly started to hate it here why would you turn that down.

Probably helps that his buddy Markstrom is still here.

However, my guess at who is extending is Toffoli. Seems like he really liked it here and had his best year here.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Probably helps that his buddy Markstrom is still here.

However, my guess at who is extending is Toffoli. Seems like he really liked it here and had his best year here.

I don't think he is a priority to sign his value now or at the deadline probably remains unchanged and I think he would have more value mid season based on hist contract

Lindholm commands a larger return and and more cap space same with Hanifin.

Toffoli just seems like a easy guy to deal with.

[Jiggy_12]

I think Lindholm is great, but I’ll be a little disappointed if we sign him as oppose to cash him in for younger assets.