Calgarypuck Mafia Game Thread

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We have to shift votes before the deadline, this is not good. I have given my reasons to suspect Bonded. I also gave my thoughts to him and bizaro possibly working together. I find it very interesting that on post #285 bizaro says he is willing to vote for either agulati or scornfire but does not bring up Bonded out of the three with votes. When I ask him to clarify why that is in post #287 he never responds. Nothing. Again, I have no problem throwing my vote on any of those three but I still have a bad feeling about Bonded.

Sorry I missed the first piece on this. I initially provided my thoughts on 4 people who I thought were potential mafia. Later, there were two people who had votes on them from that list, so I selected from those two.

In that post, I didn't discuss any of the people I think are flames fans at all.

If I had, I would have mentioned that Bonded seems like he is playing a mix of aggressive/newbie. I think that is not a great mix for a townie, because it tends to aggravate people. But I don't see anything there that tilts me oiler fan. If I had gif abilities from here I'd put the one from Futurama where he says "I have no strong feelings either way." Not much use for me to write a novel posting that about each player, and I think it makes more sense for me to vote for someone I actually suspect of being an oiler fan...

On the other hand, I am slightly more confident you are a townie. You are exactly consistent with your play from past games where you were town - picking one tenuous link and then grabbing on to it like a bulldog and never letting go. In my opinion that has cost the town in past games. However, based on the consistency I think you are probably a flames fan. I'd suggest you be more open to considering multiple options, especially in day 1 when there isn't much to go on. I do know you're wrong about me, although I'm not sure about Bonded. Something to think about. I try to avoid giving specific advice to people (because they usually just get mad instead of appreciating it) but I think its worth it here. Feel free to disregard it, of course.

[bizaro86]

Looks like barring something crazy the decision is Bonded. I think if Bonded flips town we should take a pretty serious look at Agulati tomorrow. He was a pile on vote on Winnipeg (who I get pretty good town vibes from). Then he was the second vote on Bonded after dissentowner. Seems like a pile on, get a townie lynched day one kind of guy.

I know when I was mafia it was super hard to resist that, and I didn't do a great job doing so. I wonder if agulati has the same thing.

I'm consciously not switching my vote right now - the Bonded card flip will give us information that potentially verifies this suspicion, and if I switch we'd be tied which is the worst possible outcome.

[GGG]

So is anyone else not a big fan of where things sit right now? I don’t think we have time right now to move the votes but I want to take a closer look at Pux tomorrow. I still think people are voting for these guys because they are new and they just didn’t their expected reaction of a new player.

Scorn is voting to save himself at the end but really that makes just as much sense as town as it does scum. The other reason people are on him seems to be the revenge vote.

In reviewing the bonded and Scorn cases I found something that I think is interesting. I know Agulati said that one of the reasons he voted for him was he asked two questions after Agulati did his assessment of the new players. That post was only 3 minutes before bondeds first question. So I don’t think bonded would have read that post and then posted his first question. So it’s only his question about the hammer that fits in this theory.

I will reread people’s cases on them again to make sure I understand them but I don’t see anything that isn’t circular

Is anyone up for a Pux lynch if we had 5 and some from all three trains together we could move but probably not worth the risk of a no lynch.

[Bonded]

Back on a computer and can answer any questions people have and if you think I have not addressed anything please let me know.



I don't think I have purposefully avoided answering any of the evidence against me. Maybe why my posts seemed a bit jumbled. I have been on the road for work in Manitoba with spotty cell service. I know I can't prove that and might not help my case or make it worse but it is the truth. Trying to be active while traveling has clearly riled some of the group.



My main defense is if the trolls/mafia/scum were helping and guiding me, would I really be playing so poorly.



Let's go back to the post that started it all:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have been going back through all the posts for a while now and I as of right now my suspicion is Bonded is an Oilers fan. Post #19 he is the first one to mention something from the PM posts, the Conn Smythe award. In that same post he suggests a random number generator before the game even gets started and we can get a read on things. At post #69 (giggety) he throws a vote on bizaro86. Either this is a deflection vote and bizaro and him are both Greasers or he is targeting a vet poster. Post #79 bizaro86 points out it is interesting he mentions the Conn Smythe. He adds in the fact about Bennett which got me a bit suspicious so I bring it up that it seems weird posters would mention this in post #81. We don't here from Bonded for a while until he pops back in post #193 with a weak reason to change his vote. Post #194 to unvote bizaro and post #195 vote for Agulati.
Post #234 he posts a I am a newbie post but overplays it with his "I am confused what the hammer is"

For my first vote I am betting Bonded is a poser and an actual Oiler fan. I am just not quite sure if bizaro is one as well.

The random number generator post was mostly a joke but if I had guidance, smart money would probably bet against me starting off that way.



I really did think there could have been some clues to sniff out trolls in the PMs but once again suspicious behavior.



The vote for Biz was me trying to be active. Reading through the game thread, it seemed like group would vote against inactive people.



Changing my vote off of Biz was because my original vote on him didn't have a good reason and thought it was better for the group to go after someone who apparently played like mafia in the past. Dissentower hadn't really been trying to direct the group until the above post and Scorn seems like an aggressive newbie as well.



That is basically the thought process behind my posts. If I was getting advice from trolls then they would also have to be pretty inexperienced.



That is pretty much all I got. Rough learning curve on my end.

I made a list!!! So proud of myself!
I was looking at voting history and was trying to see if a pattern jumped out at me. This is all I could come up with:
The only 2 people to only vote for one person were: HG voting for Scorn fairly early in the game(who is still in the top 3 to get the boot) and MrK voting for Agulati at little past halfway (who is also in the top 3) My theory: I think possibly a greaser move would be to sit on your vote and hope it gains traction. Then one of your greaser buddies could flip/flop their votes or even put a vote on you to draw suspicion away. Which GGG did to HG first thing out of the gate. And Biz did to MrK (AFTER his vote on Seb and BEFORE his vote on Scorn which was the fourth vote on Scorn).
So there could be a GGG/HG or a Biz/MrK(mrkajz44) alliance there somewhere. Sorry if it doesn't make sense. It's my first go at a logic theory!
But seeing as we're close to deadline, I will keep my vote on Bonded. Unless someone can talk me into something else fun in the next half an hour before I go to bed

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

I made a list!!! So proud of myself!
I was looking at voting history and was trying to see if a pattern jumped out at me. This is all I could come up with:
The only 2 people to only vote for one person were: HG voting for Scorn fairly early in the game(who is still in the top 3 to get the boot) and MrK voting for Agulati at little past halfway (who is also in the top 3) My theory: I think possibly a greaser move would be to sit on your vote and hope it gains traction. Then one of your greaser buddies could flip/flop their votes or even put a vote on you to draw suspicion away. Which GGG did to HG first thing out of the gate. And Biz did to MrK (AFTER his vote on Seb and BEFORE his vote on Scorn which was the fourth vote on Scorn).
So there could be a GGG/HG or a Biz/MrK(mrkajz44) alliance there somewhere. Sorry if it doesn't make sense. It's my first go at a logic theory!
But seeing as we're close to deadline, I will keep my vote on Bonded. Unless someone can talk me into something else fun in the next half an hour before I go to bed

Can't really comment on the next level alliances but anything to MrK's theory that agulati was jumping on the scorn vote and then hopping to me without a whole lot of comment.



Any other questions I can answer that you have for me? I think scorn is a townie, so would have to get you on the agulati vote.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by SebC

I object. We're not tied now, no move is necessary.

I suppose this is right. I want to avoid a tie, but a last minute move by an Oiler to force a tie would be a terrible move so maybe my concern is overblown.

I still like my analysis and don't have strong feelings on Bonded either way so I'll stay put.

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Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I suppose this is right. I want to avoid a tie, but a last minute move by an Oiler to force a tie would be a terrible move so maybe my concern is overblown.

I still like my analysis and don't have strong feelings on Bonded either way so I'll stay put.

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Crap. Forgot about that... but I think if anyone moves the last second to force a tie outs himself as a troll. So the odds of that happening would be slim.

Bed time guys! I hope I see a Coiler dead tomorrow and I wish the Mod good luck in their search tonight

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

I made a list!!! So proud of myself!
I was looking at voting history and was trying to see if a pattern jumped out at me. This is all I could come up with:
The only 2 people to only vote for one person were: HG voting for Scorn fairly early in the game(who is still in the top 3 to get the boot) and MrK voting for Agulati at little past halfway (who is also in the top 3) My theory: I think possibly a greaser move would be to sit on your vote and hope it gains traction. Then one of your greaser buddies could flip/flop their votes or even put a vote on you to draw suspicion away. Which GGG did to HG first thing out of the gate. And Biz did to MrK (AFTER his vote on Seb and BEFORE his vote on Scorn which was the fourth vote on Scorn).
So there could be a GGG/HG or a Biz/MrK(mrkajz44) alliance there somewhere. Sorry if it doesn't make sense. It's my first go at a logic theory!
But seeing as we're close to deadline, I will keep my vote on Bonded. Unless someone can talk me into something else fun in the next half an hour before I go to bed

Just wondering what the point of this was when none of the people you are talking about are the leading vote getters?

[Scornfire]

Because we still have time to change our mind if everyone is watching the thread

[Hockeyguy15]

Sure but how possible is it to move someone from 0 to 5 or 6? Legitimately it’s a 2 horse (borderline 3 but not really) race. It just seems like it isn’t helpful to muddy the waters right now. If she has a case against bonded or agulati then sure present it.

Her post just seems weird to me “hey guys I’m here before the deadline, I have a theory about other people not in danger right now. Ok I’m leaving my vote on Bonded and going to bed”

[WinnipegFan]

I stand by my vote for the evening. I wish the mod luck with his work tonight and am sitting looking forward to finding out the results tomorrow. Sleep well fellow townies.

[Hockeyguy15]

And yes I realize I am muddying the waters with this. I debated if I should comment or wait until day 2, but I figured it seemed like everyone was staying put so I wanted it out there in case I am banned tonight.

[Bonded]

Last call for me as well. Any questions for me?

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Last call for me as well. Any questions for me?

Other than agulati, who do you think are Oilers and why? If you flip town, we can use your comments as a certain Flames fan view which would be helpful

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[Bonded]

Haven't much out of sebc or crazy_eoj. Silence is supposed to be bad. Fuzz is playing it how someone getting guided would be.



I think scorn is town for sure. Other than that I don't have a good read on anyone.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Haven't much out of sebc or crazy_eoj. Silence is supposed to be bad. Fuzz is playing it how someone getting guided would be.



I think scorn is town for sure. Other than that I don't have a good read on anyone.

Heard much.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Day 1 has ended

With 15 posters, it takes 8 votes to ban user prior to deadline. It takes at least 5 votes to ban user at the deadline. A tied vote at deadline results in no banning.

With 6 votes, Bonded has been banned.

Vote Count:

Votes Scornfire (4): Hockeyguy15, SebC, devo22, bizaro86

Votes agulati (5): Winnipegfan, mrkajz44, Bonded, GGG, crazy_eoj

Votes Bonded (6): dissentowner, agulati, Fuzz, Puxlut, DropIt, Scornfire

[Oling_Roachinen]

Some trolls are subtle, others seem to see how quickly they can get banned. After his sixth thread made criticizing the Flames in a day it became apparent that this poster wasn't what he was saying he was. Users reported his posts en masse. When the moderators took notice they realized Bonded shared the same IP address as user 69McDavidLover420. A quick ban followed and all was happy on CP....for now.

Night 1 has begun.

Do not post in this thread, please PM your night actions by 10:00 PM, January 25, 2019.

[Oling_Roachinen]

After stopping a common troll the day before, Flames fans were shocked to log on to CP to find regular Flames fan bizaro86 banned. His latest posts in the Off Topic Forum had been deleted for inappropriate comments but it was obvious that he had been baited by Oiler fans. It was clear that the remaining Oiler fans were master baiters.


It is now Day 2

With 13 posters, it takes 7 votes to ban user prior to deadline. It takes at least 5 votes to ban user at the deadline. A tied vote at deadline results in no banning.

Vote Count:

Votes(0)

Hasn’t Voted (13):
Puxlut, Hockeyguy15, Fuzz, GGG, SebC, devo22, DropIt, WinnipegFan, mrkajz44, Scornfire, agulati, dissentowner, crazy_eoj

Deadline is Sunday, January 27th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.