Calgarypuck Mafia Game Thread

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GGG

Based on the previous play I took his vote as a passive aggressive stab at our arguments last game so didn’t bother to respond.

I was actually poking you for something you did in this game.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Man - day 1 is so hard to read. I continue to stick with my original theory that one of the four on Winnipeg are part of the Oiler team. With all the unvoting and re-voting I see that dissentowner and agulati are still aligned in votes, but Devo is on his own now and Scorn doesn't have a vote out there.

The order off Winnipeg was: agulati, Devo, Scorn, Dissent - agulati was quick to jump off the train after getting called out on it, while the rest of those coming off didn't seem to come off in a panic.

Devo was the first to vote after coming off, going after Scorn. After a while Dissent moves onto Bonded with agulati quickly following in step. Scorn has yet to re-vote. This is second time that agulati has shortly followed up Dissent's vote, stating similar reasons as Dissent. I know day 1 has very little to go on, and its easy to agree with others to justify a vote (often they can make a really good point to sway you, so you move your vote based on that), but with little content so far, this still has me doubting agulati as Flames fan. His votes so far are moving in lockstep with another user as opposed to marking his own way. This might just be the function of being a newer player, but this reasoning above is why my vote is staying on agulati for now.

I will say that the rest of agulati's posts seem to lean Flames, but looking at the votes just seems like better strategy at this point. Since both Winnipeg and Bonded are both "targets" of these movements, I think of them more as town, but not necessarily for their own actions.

People who think there is a bond between agulati and I are wrong. While I believe there is more there to show Bonded as a possible greaser I have stated all along I will vote with what the consensus is. If the consensus is to lynch agulati I have zero problem with changing my vote. Too me he comes off as a Flames fan but I have been wrong before.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by agulati

I don't think a mafia player will be posting less frequently. I would think their mafia pals would be prompting them to post, or messaging the mod for a replacement.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I usually find at least one lurks in the weeds and he/she has not been engaged at all after throwing one aggressive post. I think this early in the game it is a crapshoot but so far they have contributed nothing so I will help put pressure on.


vote: WinnipegFan

Originally Posted by agulati

I’m not sure yet, and I would prefer if this poster would speak up/contribute.

I’m guilty of using they. In this politically correct climate, the last thing I want to do is offend people. My bad

Going back through the Agulati/ Diss stuff and this one is weird. Agulati over a few hours switches his beliefs here after Diss replied and disagreed. He starts out by saying he thinks mafia would encourage their new players post yet votes to put pressure to get someone more involved which would muddy the waters of who he is looking for.

I get the town motivation for his post is that we need Winnipeg talking which is true but he didn’t explain the switch in opinion here.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by agulati

I have clearly stated that I am not sure yet and I would prefer if Winnipegfan would contribute to the discussion.

I still stand by my earlier statement saying that I don't think a poster who has less posts will be a mafia.

It was just a ploy to get Winnipegfan to contribute to the discussion. As he has done so, I am withdrawing my vote for him for the time being.

I’ll repost Agulati’s followed up after being called up out on the vote switch by MrK as well here so I’m not accused of twisting his words. But he backs off quick.

[devo22]

in all honesty, agulatis voting behaviour reminds me a bit of what I was doing as mafia. Don't go after people yourself, but parrot other's arguments and latch onto votes. Doesn't mean he's a Greaser and him doing it twice with Diss would seem a bit odd, but generally it'd be a decent strategy for an Oiler to stay under the radar a bit.

I might switch to agulati later, will have to do some re-reading. mrkajz44 brings up some good points, but I'm wary of him - he's mislead me before. Diss strikes me as town right now. Pux has been quiet so far.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by agulati

That is a good point DropIt. I also thought initially that that might be a way to differentiate at the end and can be used by an actual townie to throw in a vote.

But Diss' referred to post (Everyone probably received the same message) made me reflect on previous games. I believe that was just something to get the conversation started by Oling and not a nugget to use as a clue. That doesn't exonerate Diss, but neither does it really point towards him being a mafia.

Scorn is getting quite defensive and feeling attacked and attacking in response. I just think that is because he is a newbie. His posts are making my initial read on him as being town.

I'm more concerned about those who are either attacking without merit or piling on without merit.

We have to keep in mind there is a parallel discussion going on between the mafia, who are discussing tactics and trying to approach it very systematically, whereas the rest of us are thinking individually and are going about this blindly. On day 1, the more "strategic" players could be the show of being mafia.

I don't think certain posters are mafia, but Im not sure about any of the rest. I'm just trying to eliminate those who I don't think of mafia and will vote accordingly at the end. Lynch mob mentality (and getting the automatic 7 votes to ban) always works in the hand of the mafia initially. Three mafia votes just like that can sneak through currently. I would rather we vote how we think, and try to convince otherwise at this point.

When Agulati makes this post here Scorn has two votes and Agi has two votes so he has the opportunity to jump on Scorn. It would be the 3rd vote on the wagon which has been a thing in past games but with two votes each it’s an opportunity to get some heat off of him.

The work with Diss and Agulati’s it would be bad Mafia strategy for both scum to work like this leads me to believe that Diss is town and Agulati is the scum rather than a team so when Diss flips he gets Flames cred.

[GGG]

In my reread this morning one post caught my eye and got me thinking. Someone asks Has anyone changed behaviour from the last game.

And the only one to have changed I think and it’s subtle though so maybe it’s not there but In the last game I found that she would post lots of observations of things that were weird that I had missed on my reads. She still played the I don’t know what to do role but the posts had more questions of other people asking why. I will look at her over lunch today to make sure the order makes sense but I think the, GGG is a beast post, HG and GGG need to post more; then I call her out for fluff posting, then she comments on the meta thing by Scorn almost read like a oh I better work harder as scum.

I’d be willing to vote her as well today.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SebC

I was actually poking you for something you did in this game.

I assume you aren’t yet ready to share

I'm not as vocal this time around because I'm working more and shouldn't really be posting here at work I believe I gave you guys the heads up earlier about having to go to sleep earlier for a 4am wake up. And I wanted to try and not be that annoying poster this time around.

I will be throwing my vote for a "newb" as explained in my Survivor post. I was torn between Bonded and Scorn for their use of game vocabulary...but I'm going to go with Bonded because I'd just like to see if Scorn settles down a bit.

Vote: Bonded

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People who think there is a bond between agulati and I are wrong. While I believe there is more there to show Bonded as a possible greaser I have stated all along I will vote with what the consensus is. If the consensus is to lynch agulati I have zero problem with changing my vote. Too me he comes off as a Flames fan but I have been wrong before.

To be clear - I wasn't really trying to connect Dissent and agulati with the implication that they were working together, just the agulati seemed to be mirroring moves make by Dissent.

If agulati does flip Oiler, then I might explore a connection, but at this point I believe it would be foolish strategy to have two Oilers follow each others moves directly.

[Fuzz]

We are at a 3 way tie now, with Bonded, Agulati and Scornfire having 4 votes each.

[mrkajz44]

Yes - we will need a coordinated effort to start here shortly as the deadline is tonight. Between the three I see agulati as the most likely Oiler, so I'm hesitant to move a vote at this point. His voting patterns early just seem off.

Perhaps it would be good for every to re-iterate their feelings for their vote and then we can see final justifications for everyone? Might help us come to a better consensus on a banning without rushing things too much.

[Fuzz]

Good plan, I'll link back to my main reason here:
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=270


His response isn't very convincing to my points(that were also raised by others previously). I just can't wrap my head around using terminology form the standard game while also saying he is a newb. And he didn't try to explain it in his response.

[Hockeyguy15]

Not going to be around much today (settlement day at work). I voted for Scornfire because he wasn't posting. I then left my vote on him because he was posting fluff, I thought he was a new player but he hadn't asked any questions and used meta a couple times. I don't believe he has said if he's ever played or anything? He also then jumped on the WinnipegFan vote train with no explaination why. Later his reasoning for hopping on the vote was this.

Originally Posted by Scornfire

All I'm hearing is how we need to have 5 votes on someone or we're going to have a problem come Thursday. Also, just sort of roleplaying. Kind of disappointing how meta this whole thing has been

I guess it's a justifyable reason if you are new and trying to figure the game out, but if that is true I'm not sure you are going to say it's disappointing how meta the game has been.

I want to check over what happened since last night so hopefully I will have some time during the day.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Good plan, I'll link back to my main reason here:
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=270


His response isn't very convincing to my points(that were also raised by others previously). I just can't wrap my head around using terminology form the standard game while also saying he is a newb. And he didn't try to explain it in his response.

It is honestly posting on my phone. Scum is quicker and I am just being lazy.



You are starting to go from noon to collected pretty quickly. Argument can be made that the same that you are playing the new card as a cover as well. Neither of us can prove we are new.

[Bonded]

I'll be flying back from Brandon in a bit and then to work to get caught up so probably won't get much time to post until 6 or 7 tonight.



I voted for agulati because I think MrKajz is correct that someone snuck in a vote. Agulati was posting and behaving in a way that seemed like he was trying to sway people more than diss at that point.



No matter what happens tonight, at least I get to leave Brandon, worst work trip of the year.



I can answer questions for the next hour or so.

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Not going to be around much today (settlement day at work). I voted for Scornfire because he wasn't posting. I then left my vote on him because he was posting fluff, I thought he was a new player but he hadn't asked any questions and used meta a couple times. I don't believe he has said if he's ever played or anything? He also then jumped on the WinnipegFan vote train with no explaination why. Later his reasoning for hopping on the vote was this.



I guess it's a justifyable reason if you are new and trying to figure the game out, but if that is true I'm not sure you are going to say it's disappointing how meta the game has been.

I want to check over what happened since last night so hopefully I will have some time during the day.

I admitted several times to being new, and how does using "Meta" mean anything? I was clearly thinking this involved more roleplaying (I play D&D and MMOs mainly), hence me posting that all this self/past game referential stuff was kind of dissapointing

I still think you and GGG are in cahoots

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We are at a 3 way tie now, with Bonded, Agulati and Scornfire having 4 votes each.

We have to shift votes before the deadline, this is not good. I have given my reasons to suspect Bonded. I also gave my thoughts to him and bizaro possibly working together. I find it very interesting that on post #285 bizaro says he is willing to vote for either agulati or scornfire but does not bring up Bonded out of the three with votes. When I ask him to clarify why that is in post #287 he never responds. Nothing. Again, I have no problem throwing my vote on any of those three but I still have a bad feeling about Bonded.

[DropIt]

Sorry I was absent last night. Had work related issues.

Got a chance to go over everything since I started the vote off with Diss, I'm not nearly as convinced of anything regarding him anymore and rather I was looking into one post a little much. That being said I dont think Oiler fans are privy to a look our PM message which was the red flag I plucked out.

On the same note, it would be a pretty odd strategy for him and Agulati to be in cahoots this early and in the manner that they are.

I do have another theory, but will require going back through the whole thread, I think I can post it around 1:00