[News] Cammalleri has NOT been traded. Upd: Cammalleri likely heading to free agency

[May 25, 1989]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

My read on that is that was actually perhaps separate from whatever they were trying to do with Cammy.

Doug Maclean (I know) made some confusing point that things got messed up somehow with Gaborik going to LA and somehow Ottawa was involved for Cammy - but that deal screwed it up.

Cam Neely said on Boston radio today that the bruins had a deal in place with another team contingent on that team making a deal with a 3rd team and that the deal fell through because the team couldn't make the deal with the 3rd team.

This is being reported by David Pagnotta of the Fourth period on twitter so of course they are speculating that this was Calgary cause of Mr. Burkes press conference statements.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by May 25, 1989

Cam Neely said on Boston radio today that the bruins had a deal in place with another team contingent on that team making a deal with a 3rd team and that the deal fell through because the team couldn't make the deal with the 3rd team.

This is being reported by David Pagnotta of the Fourth period on twitter so of course they are speculating that this was Calgary cause of Mr. Burkes press conference statements.

Or is that just payback from Boston for the Iggy debacle. (I say this tongue firmly in cheek).

Wonder what player they would have dumped on Calgary? Kelly perhaps?

[FAN]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No. Just no. If you have something of value, you will always have people calling about it. The problem the Flames faced was a logjam of similar players, and while they adjusted their asking price, they weren't going to move Cammalleri just to do it.

Exactly. Nonis reportedly called Gillis to inquire about Kesler and or other players despite their history together. You would hope that GMs are professional enough to put personal issues aside and strike a deal. Burke is a tough negotiator, but he's respected because he doesn't waiver in his demands when a deal is about to get done like some GMs.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Or is that just payback from Boston for the Iggy debacle. (I say this tongue firmly in cheek).

Wonder what player they would have dumped on Calgary? Kelly perhaps?

He wears the A and is huge for them on the 3rd line. I don't see them getting rid of him. Bruins used to be high on Soderberg (still could be), but from what I see, he doesnt really fit in on that line. Doesn't really play like the rest of the Bruins - I would suspect it'd be him.

[Flash Walken]

It's probably pretty disheartening to hear what your valuation is from competitive teams around the league.

Might be food for thought for Cammalleri if the situation is what he wants in Calgary. Someone already said it, he's experienced the grass is greener already.

I wouldn't offer him a deal longer than 2 years though.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's probably pretty disheartening to hear what your valuation is from competitive teams around the league.

Might be food for thought for Cammalleri if the situation is what he wants in Calgary. Someone already said it, he's experienced the grass is greener already.

I wouldn't offer him a deal longer than 2 years though.

The only valuation Cammalleri cares about is what teams offer him July 1st. If he was traded yesterday to a contender I doubt he gave two-poops if he was traded for a 1st rounder or a 4th rounder.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The only valuation Cammalleri cares about is what teams offer him July 1st. If he was traded yesterday to a contender I doubt he gave two-poops if he was traded for a 1st rounder or a 4th rounder.

If you're not thought of very highly in the trade market, it's a decent indicator of your value in free agency.

[stemit14]

Although I'm sure he was anticipating being traded yesterday just like all of us thought he would be, he's a good pro and he likes this city. Calgary has always treated him well and he's done the same so I wouldn't put a contract extension out of the question. Even if he does go and the flames don't get any assets for him... I think there is still a benefit to have a veteran top six forward like him around during the last 20 games to mentor some of the kids who are going to get call ups down the stretch. Especially if gaudreau gets a late season call up.

[TheDebaser]

Basically what Burke did was play a game of chicken.

Burke made the rules of the game, other GMs can either a) pay Cammy's full pricetag or b)not pick up Cammy. The game here is to set the price just high enough where a GM will take the deal.

Other GM's want Cammy for a lower value obviously, so if waiting Burke out were to force his hand than that is what they are going to try to do. Since Burke would rather have something than nothing, this strategy should be foolproof right?

Yes, but only if this were to be the last trade deadline ever.

The worst thing that Burke could do here is legitimize that strategy by accepting the lower deal. By not accepting the lowered deal, Burke is essentially punishing other GMs (in the form of not giving them Cammy) for trying to win the little game they're playing.

Imagine that you're playing chicken, but before the game starts you tell your opponent that you will not break no matter what. Then imagine that your opponent challenges you, not breaking either out of the hope that you will go back on your word. If you choose to break, even though you will have a better outcome in the short run, your word can no longer be trusted; you can say whatever, but what you do can easily be manipulated. If you're going to be playing enough games of chicken then it could actually be your best move to smash right into your opponent, so that the next time you tell him to back off, he knows you mean it.

[FlamesAddiction]

A team might even be willing to give a mid-round pick for his negotiating rights before July, so there is still potential value there.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If you're not thought of very highly in the trade market, it's a decent indicator of your value in free agency.

Yeah, I agree with that, for the most part. You used the word disheartening though, an emotional word. My point was that I doubt it's too disheartening for Mike. If he was traded yesterday for a 1st or a 5th, it wouldn't have mattered, he would have been happy to be moved to a contender.

And yes the trade deadline is a good indicator it won't be the same as July 1st. It seemed to be a crazy set of circumstances why Cammalleri didn't move yesterday, we'll see what happens July 1st though. I don't think he'll be near the top guys available but I doubt if he sits all summer.

[The Original FFIV]

Don't think the Ducks were ever in on Cammalleri - maybe Burke was trying to push Cammy on Murray but found this snippet below:

Murray said he even made the unusual move, for him, of pursuing a “rental player,” meaning an unrestricted free agent.
That player is believed to be Nashville center David Legwand, who was instead dealt to his hometown Detroit Red Wings for right wing Patrick Eaves, a third-round pick and a prospect.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...#ixzz2vFi9T8Rq

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by May 25, 1989

Cam Neely said on Boston radio today that the bruins had a deal in place with another team contingent on that team making a deal with a 3rd team and that the deal fell through because the team couldn't make the deal with the 3rd team.

This is being reported by David Pagnotta of the Fourth period on twitter so of course they are speculating that this was Calgary cause of Mr. Burkes press conference statements.

Here's Cam Neely's comments - thought maybe Cammy was maybe the player going to Boston but clearly not as per his comments:

Neely couldn’t expand much detail on the deal that wasn’t, though he added “I think it may potentially have laid some groundwork for the future. But again, you have to have a dance partner.”
“We had a deal in principle that was predicated on another team getting something done,” Neely said, adding that it was a “hockey deal” in the sense that a good player with multiple years remaining on his contract would have been traded to Boston.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/03/0...-fell-through/

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Here's Cam Neely's comments - thought maybe Cammy was maybe the player going to Boston but clearly not as per his comments:

Neely couldn’t expand much detail on the deal that wasn’t, though he added “I think it may potentially have laid some groundwork for the future. But again, you have to have a dance partner.”
“We had a deal in principle that was predicated on another team getting something done,” Neely said, adding that it was a “hockey deal” in the sense that a good player with multiple years remaining on his contract would have been traded to Boston.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/03/0...-fell-through/

To me, it sounded like we were getting a salary dump in that deal, not sending someone to the Bruins

[getbak]

Both the Flames and Bruins said they had deals in place that relied on the other team getting a different deal done, so it doesn't make sense that they'd be talking about the same deal.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

To me, it sounded like we were getting a salary dump in that deal, not sending someone to the Bruins

Sounds like Kesler.

[saillias]

I see some upside to this. There are a lot of teams that stood pat, right? Well, math says half the playoff teams are gone in the first round. Some really, really good teams in the west especially. Some owners and presidents will be grilling their GMs on why they didn't give up a little more to go all in for a goal scorer who brings it in the playoffs to supplement their already great team. Thoughts?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by saillias

I see some upside to this. There are a lot of teams that stood pat, right? Well, math says half the playoff teams are gone in the first round. Some really, really good teams in the west especially. Some owners and presidents will be grilling their GMs on why they didn't give up a little more to go all in for a goal scorer who brings it in the playoffs to supplement their already great team. Thoughts?

Yup. One thing that's different this year is that it is back to divisional playoffs.

That means that the stronger divisions knock themselves out - 2 of Chicago, St Louis and Colorado have to be gone by the second round.

When it was 1 against 8, 'just making the playoffs' lost some luster because the 8th place team had such a difficult road.

But it becomes more true again, now that we are back to divisional play.

For some of the teams in the east, the road isn't that bad. Just stay alive and let the big guns knock each other out.

Once this plays out, I have a feeling that some teams are going to look at it and think: what might have been?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, I agree with that, for the most part. You used the word disheartening though, an emotional word. My point was that I doubt it's too disheartening for Mike. If he was traded yesterday for a 1st or a 5th, it wouldn't have mattered, he would have been happy to be moved to a contender.

And yes the trade deadline is a good indicator it won't be the same as July 1st. It seemed to be a crazy set of circumstances why Cammalleri didn't move yesterday, we'll see what happens July 1st though. I don't think he'll be near the top guys available but I doubt if he sits all summer.

Well yeah, it is emotional.

You consider yourself a top 6 player, a previous 39 goal scorer, and you're all set to move to a contender to do your thing. That day comes and no one is willing to pony up more than 3rd rounder for you, that's gotta be somewhat disheartening as you play out the remainder of your contract season on a basement dweller.

I'm not saying it is something that shuts him down emotionally, but probably gives him a better idea of what his options are come July 1st. Some team will probably pay him between 3-4.5 million but I'm not sure he'll get a ton of suitors lining up for him, nor a substantial pay day that he might have anticipated prior to this season.

It might change his perspective on the offer Calgary gave him and the position he holds with the Flames franchise.

[Beatle17]

I was thinking of this today and I wonder if not trading him had anything to do with the tragedy that occurred with Stajan. I wonder, and this is only me, if Burke set what he wanted for Cammy and wouldn't move him unless he received it, with the knowledge of what had happened on Monday. Kind of along the lines of this is what I must have to move him or he is not going.