[News] Shane O'Brien assigned to Heat. Breen recalled.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by macrov

Yes but it's not that simple. Jones has more value to the flames because:

-he plays his role (third line) better than tanguay plays his (2nd line)

-he's a good team guy.

-he brings a strong work ethic and positive attitude to a team that is trying to build a hard working identity though a very painful rebuild.

-he's younger so will still be very serviceable towards the end of the rebuild period

The only issue with Jones is his expensive contract. But the flames dont have cap problems and won't have them for the foreseeable future, and aren't looking to trade him. So the fact that he has an expensive contract is kind of an irrelevant argument.

We'll have to see how he is next year.. I'm just not sold on him just yet. Probably because I was hoping for that 27 goal scorer. I was hoping he'd have some chemistry with Galiardi as well, I think they were both on Colorado at the same time? Not sure if they were on the same line though.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Apologies. I was honestly thinking of a different prospect than Girgensons. Not sure how I got him confused.

Don't want to derail the thread, but I still think it was an ok move to get 2 prospects to help the team over just 1, even if he was a sure bet.

Grigorenko? I get those two mixed up a lot. Doesn't help that the one who was drafted later is the one doing better right now.

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

"It was just the opinion of a coach. Or coaches," said Sarich, whose Flames were coached last season and still are by former Avs bench boss Bob Hartley. "The last two years, they didn't play me for a bit and then I come back and I was — not to toot my own horn or anything — but I was a really solid defenseman for our team. It just seems that the start of every season, it gets overlooked a little bit. So it's nice to have some people putting some faith in me again."

Read more: Cory Sarich enjoying rebirth of NHL career with Avalanche - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/...#ixzz2rdWCWFfk

Sarchy is a good defenseman, except for his painful skating ability

[neo45]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

"It was just the opinion of a coach. Or coaches," said Sarich, whose Flames were coached last season and still are by former Avs bench boss Bob Hartley. "The last two years, they didn't play me for a bit and then I come back and I was — not to toot my own horn or anything — but I was a really solid defenseman for our team. It just seems that the start of every season, it gets overlooked a little bit. So it's nice to have some people putting some faith in me again."

Read more: Cory Sarich enjoying rebirth of NHL career with Avalanche - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/...#ixzz2rdWCWFfk

I agree with him 100% that he shouldn't have been a healthy scratch here

But Sutter wasn't that big of a fan of home either, so it wasn't just Hartley

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I agreed with everything you said except this.

Smid and Roy for Horak and Brossoit? Burke

Russell for a 5th round pick? Pity trade to a bottom feeder, where you don't want the player to come back and bite you
Colborne for a 4th round pick? Burke
Knight for a 4th round pick? OK but there was no room for Knight in Florida.
5th round pick for Comeau? nothing trade
Wideman for Jordan Henry and a 5th round pick? OK
McGrattan for Joe Piskula? OK
1st round pick to Buffalo for their 1st and 2nd round pick-Results in Girgensons for Jankowski and Sieloff? Not my idea of a good deal and picks.
Stempniak for Langkow? Good deal, I was surprised.
Cammalleri, Ramo, and 5th round pick for Bourque, Patrick Holland, and a 2nd round pick? Decent but we got smaller again.
Roman Horak, and 2 2nd round picks for Tim Erixon and a 5th round pick-Results in Horak, Granlund, and Wotherspoon for Tim Erixon and Shane McColgan? Feaster got blind sided when he should have known that Erixon wouldn't sign. Backlund had already talked to him and knew the score.


There is no doubt in my mind that Feaster did not do very well on the Regehr and Bouwmeester trades, and the Tanguay/Sarich trade was abysmal. The Iginla trade is debatable but was limited by his NTC. There's a lot of meh trades that didn't do much either way as well, but overall Feaster didn't do well on the bigger deals that really make or break a franchise. I think if you look at the smaller deals that make up the supporting players in the franchise, he did exceptionally well. It's hard to say Feaster was all bad, but he didn't get enough on the big deals, and that really didn't do the franchise any favors long term.

answers in bold

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Wow…people really hate Feaster around here. No credit ever given where it's due. I especially found the "pity trade" comment particularly funny. Never heard that one before. There is as much room for Knight in Florida as there was here. That one made no sense.

[Scoutski]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

"It was just the opinion of a coach. Or coaches," said Sarich, whose Flames were coached last season and still are by former Avs bench boss Bob Hartley. "The last two years, they didn't play me for a bit and then I come back and I was — not to toot my own horn or anything — but I was a really solid defenseman for our team. It just seems that the start of every season, it gets overlooked a little bit. So it's nice to have some people putting some faith in me again."

Read more: Cory Sarich enjoying rebirth of NHL career with Avalanche - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/...#ixzz2rdWCWFfk

Thanks for posting this, really really appreciate having these kinds of claims validated.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Wow…people really hate Feaster around here. No credit ever given where it's due. I especially found the "pity trade" comment particularly funny. Never heard that one before. There is as much room for Knight in Florida as there was here. That one made no sense.

If there was room for Knight in Florida, why this

Knight, a fifth round pick in 2009, was quoted in Sunday's Edmonton Journal that he and his agent had spoken to the Panthers but "it turned out it wasn’t going to work out for both parties.''
Knight said he told the Panthers he wasn't going to sign by the August deadline, so Florida dealt him to his hometown Flames.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/flapa...#storylink=cpy

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/flapa...o-calgary.html

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Wow…people really hate Feaster around here. No credit ever given where it's due. I especially found the "pity trade" comment particularly funny. Never heard that one before. There is as much room for Knight in Florida as there was here. That one made no sense.

I'll give him those 2.... Knight and Russell were probably his 2 best trades of his tenure.

Depending on how you see things, maybe Smid... not sure if its a Burke decision or a Feaster...

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Wow…people really hate Feaster around here. No credit ever given where it's due. I especially found the "pity trade" comment particularly funny. Never heard that one before. There is as much room for Knight in Florida as there was here. That one made no sense.

Feaster was not a good GM. Why there should be any love for him is beyond me. I could care less what he did with his smaller trades, but trades involving the "big guys" needed to have good-great returns for this team. They were not.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Feaster was not a good GM. Why there should be any love for him is beyond me. I could care less what he did with his smaller trades, but trades involving the "big guys" needed to have good-great returns for this team. They were not.

I said the exact same thing if you want to look back. I just felt that the idea that he did no good trades is erroneous and wanted to explain why. That's all.

Carry on with the hate CP.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Feaster was not a good GM. Why there should be any love for him is beyond me. I could care less what he did with his smaller trades, but trades involving the "big guys" needed to have good-great returns for this team. They were not.

I think you're confused.

"Made some good trades"
and
"Is a good GM"
are not actually the same sentence.

[$ven27]

Frankly if him getting Russel and Stempniak for cheap is his best move then I'm glad hes gone. Crap returns on our biggest assets and the drafting of Jankowski are what stand out, in a bad way.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I agreed with everything you said except this.

Smid and Roy for Horak and Brossoit?
Russell for a 5th round pick?
Colborne for a 4th round pick?
Knight for a 4th round pick?
5th round pick for Comeau?
Wideman for Jordan Henry and a 5th round pick?
McGrattan for Joe Piskula?
1st round pick to Buffalo for their 1st and 2nd round pick-Results in Girgensons for Jankowski and Sieloff?
Stempniak for Langkow?
Cammalleri, Ramo, and 5th round pick for Bourque, Patrick Holland, and a 2nd round pick?
Roman Horak, and 2 2nd round picks for Tim Erixon and a 5th round pick-Results in Horak, Granlund, and Wotherspoon for Tim Erixon and Shane McColgan?


There is no doubt in my mind that Feaster did not do very well on the Regehr and Bouwmeester trades, and the Tanguay/Sarich trade was abysmal. The Iginla trade is debatable but was limited by his NTC. There's a lot of meh trades that didn't do much either way as well, but overall Feaster didn't do well on the bigger deals that really make or break a franchise. I think if you look at the smaller deals that make up the supporting players in the franchise, he did exceptionally well. It's hard to say Feaster was all bad, but he didn't get enough on the big deals, and that really didn't do the franchise any favors long term.

Okay, so it was a kneejerk reaction on my part to say I hate all his trades. He did make some good moves, but when you look at his overall body of work, he didn't really improve the team and moving forward I wouldn't have much confidence with him in charge, even with Burke overseeing what he does.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He is on pace for 17 and isn't exactly playing with Crosby.

Close, but not quite. He isn't exactly the model of consistency. He is a big body who can play big and has in the past, but isn't noticeable in that role. Perhaps his recent scoring slump is what has me disillusioned as to his effectiveness for the team. I shouldn't complain too much though, afterall the team isn't expected to rebuild in less than a year. I guess I'm just feeling impatient today.

[Split98]

http://flamesnation.ca/2013/12/16/a-...nificant-moves

Good read, and something I had to look up as I don't remember Feaster being as toxic a GM as people are making him out to be. His issue was the inability to form a solid plan for a top 5 team. But I would argue that he has accomplished a difficult task of building depth and character. Getting high-skill is difficult, yes. But with a high draft position and cap space (which we have tons of, thanks to Feaster) we have a great base to build on top of.

Glad we've moved on, but I can really hardly look back at the Feaster era as a negative stage of Calgary's rebuild.

EDIT: Didn't consider that refreshing the conversation while I read the above article would be wise...

[macrov]

Originally Posted by Split98

http://flamesnation.ca/2013/12/16/a-...nificant-moves

Good read, and something I had to look up as I don't remember Feaster being as toxic a GM as people are making him out to be. His issue was the inability to form a solid plan for a top 5 team. But I would argue that he has accomplished a difficult task of building depth and character. Getting high-skill is difficult, yes. But with a high draft position and cap space (which we have tons of, thanks to Feaster) we have a great base to build on top of.

Glad we've moved on, but I can really hardly look back at the Feaster era as a negative stage of Calgary's rebuild.

EDIT: Didn't consider that refreshing the conversation while I read the above article would be wise...

Yeah...I also don't get the feaster hate either. He's done a good job of building the cupboards, clearing out cap space, found a couple gems, made a lot of low risk high reward trades, got the team younger, and has changed the identity of the flames to "one of the hardest working teams in the NHL"

When you're worst trades as a gm are picking Jankowski, where we won't know the outcome for 2.5 more seasons, and trading iggy and jaybo for 2 firat round picks in the best draft in a decade I think he did just fine.

Porier and Monahan both look like they could turn into franchise players. Agostino and Hanowski both look like they'll be NHL players. Agostino is suppose to be the better of the two. Berra already is in the NHL.

I don't know what people wanted for Iggy and Jaybo. It was a strong draft. The first round picks was worth more than previous years. Iggy didn't even re-sign in Pittsburgh, and we got 2 solid prospects in addition to the first. And out of the JayBo trade we got the steal of the draft in Porier.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by macrov

Yeah...I also don't get the feaster hate either. He's done a good job of building the cupboards, clearing out cap space, found a couple gems, made a lot of low risk high reward trades, got the team younger, and has changed the identity of the flames to "one of the hardest working teams in the NHL"

When you're worst trades as a gm are picking Jankowski, where we won't know the outcome for 2.5 more seasons, and trading iggy and jaybo for 2 firat round picks in the best draft in a decade I think he did just fine.

Porier and Monahan both look like they could turn into franchise players. Agostino and Hanowski both look like they'll be NHL players. Agostino is suppose to be the better of the two. Berra already is in the NHL.

I don't know what people wanted for Iggy and Jaybo. It was a strong draft. The first round picks was worth more than previous years. Iggy didn't even re-sign in Pittsburgh, and we got 2 solid prospects in addition to the first. And out of the JayBo trade we got the steal of the draft in Porier.

Coming from a Feaster supporter I have to disagree.

Trading a Franchise player, even if he is 35 and a UFA, for at least a first rounder is a given. Same goes for when you are trading a top pairing defenceman.

The extras in the deals should have been better, particularly the JBow one.

First rounders notwithstanding we got Berra, Cundari, Hanowski and Agostino.

Berra might become more but as of now he is a backup. Cundari is looking less and less likely to make an NHL impact for the Flames. Not enough for a top pairing dman signed to a contract the following season.

In the Iggy trade we got Hanowski, who i worry won't ever get up to NHL speed, and Agostino who is a wlidcard he has some tools but we have no idea what to expect. I'm not sure this deal was enough either but I can forgive it more so than the JBow trade.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Coming from a Feaster supporter I have to disagree.

Trading a Franchise player, even if he is 35 and a UFA, for at least a first rounder is a given. Same goes for when you are trading a top pairing defenceman.

The extras in the deals should have been better, particularly the JBow one.

First rounders notwithstanding we got Berra, Cundari, Hanowski and Agostino.

Berra might become more but as of now he is a backup. Cundari is looking less and less likely to make an NHL impact for the Flames. Not enough for a top pairing dman signed to a contract the following season.

In the Iggy trade we got Hanowski, who i worry won't ever get up to NHL speed, and Agostino who is a wlidcard he has some tools but we have no idea what to expect. I'm not sure this deal was enough either but I can forgive it more so than the JBow trade.

But all first round picks aren't created equally. In a deep draft when the expected prospect from a mid to late 1st pick is expected to be of very high quality, the secondary prospects you can expect to get back will be weaker.

In a shallow draft, like the Yakupov one, the prospects thrown in would be better because the likelyhood of getting a high quality player with the pick is lower

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Coming from a Feaster supporter I have to disagree.

Trading a Franchise player, even if he is 35 and a UFA, for at least a first rounder is a given. Same goes for when you are trading a top pairing defenceman.

The extras in the deals should have been better, particularly the JBow one.

First rounders notwithstanding we got Berra, Cundari, Hanowski and Agostino.

Berra might become more but as of now he is a backup. Cundari is looking less and less likely to make an NHL impact for the Flames. Not enough for a top pairing dman signed to a contract the following season.

In the Iggy trade we got Hanowski, who i worry won't ever get up to NHL speed, and Agostino who is a wlidcard he has some tools but we have no idea what to expect. I'm not sure this deal was enough either but I can forgive it more so than the JBow trade.

Except that wasn't the trade Feaster negotiated. He negotiated a deal with Boston that would have brought back a 1st, Bartowski, and Khoklachev. Bartowski makes that deal solid.

Feaster's hands were, however, tied, and Iginla forced him to take a lesser deal.

And does anyone remember how JBo was referred to one of the most overpaid players in the league prior to being traded? JBo's numbers are also coming back down to Earth. He plays on arguably the best d-core in the league right now too, which further skews his numbers.