All Trudeau needs to do to win is copy the conservative economic plan and get rid of the stupidity of
- crime omnibus
- anti science
- anti stats can
Also coming out being less pro military would help him with the left.
Add a campaign of raising corporate tax .5% and make a new top tax bracket for those earning 250k or more and spending it on new programs
Buy doing this you win back the people who want economic conservatism but without the boogie man, and you chip away at the left buy taxing the "elite" and you never say anything else about any other issue other than that you will never privatize health care like the conservatives will.
Taxing the top brackets and corporate tax increases will hurt the Liberals donor base. Something that isn't discussed much is that the Liberals have been hurting for money ever since the individual donation limit was reached. The Liberals have been the party of fewer donors giving more money while the Conservatives received most of their money in small amounts from a large group of people.
If the Liberals campaign to raise the top tax rate it will kill their funding drives and even the best ideas need money to get out there.
Definitely true, but this seems like a much bigger jump than Dion and Ignatieff received in their honeymoon periods. Can someone look into what kind of polling bounce the Liberals received after each of those candidates became leader? Maybe also include Mulcair and the NDP?
The sense I get from talking with moderate swing voters outside Alberta is that they're looking for a viable alternative to the Harper Conservatives but don't trust the NDP when it comes to the economy. Justin Trudeau is a blank slate at this point and hasn't really committed to any policy positions, so many people are pouring their hopes into his candidacy and dreaming he's the Chretien/Martin style Liberal leader they want to support. We'll see if that's actually the case. Personally, I'm highly skeptical at this point, but I'm open to being won over if he surrounds himself with competent, experienced advisers and runs on a business-friendly moderate-right economic platform combined with progressive social policies.
Taxing the top brackets and corporate tax increases will hurt the Liberals donor base. Something that isn't discussed much is that the Liberals have been hurting for money ever since the individual donation limit was reached. The Liberals have been the party of fewer donors giving more money while the Conservatives received most of their money in small amounts from a large group of people.
If the Liberals campaign to raise the top tax rate it will kill their funding drives and even the best ideas need money to get out there.
Interesting. Do you have a source for this?
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I've read opposite claims that Liberal donations have never been stronger and that they're out-raising the NDP currently. This is all tied to the Trudeau effect so it may be temporary. Too lazy to find the source as well so take it with a grain of salt.
I am looking for it now.
So far, the rules changed in 2003 to limit personal contributions to $5000 a year and corporate/union contributions to $1000. It also introduced the vote subsidy that gives parties a fixed amount per vote received.
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The legislation was rooted in the belief that the primary source for contributions to political parties and candidates should be individuals giving relatively small amounts, as opposed to larger donations. The new regulations, therefore, stipulated that each elector could contribute up to a total of $5,000 a year to the electoral district associations, nomination contestants and candidates of a registered political party, while donations to these entities from corporations and trade unions were limited to $1,000. Furthermore, while individuals could contribute directly to the registered party, corporations and unions could not. To police the new rules, the act also stipulated that candidates and parties should disclose contribution information within a set period of time after an election, and leadership contestants should do so during and after a leadership contest.
In 2002
The Reform party received $7,294,757 from 95,531 people for $76 per person
The PCs received $3,358,232 from 11,555 people for $290 per person
The Liberals received $13,262,644 from 17,891 people for $741 per person
The NDP received $5,258,883 from 35,614 people for $148 per person
In 2007
Cons: $16,983,629 received from 107,492 people for $158 per person
Libs: $4,471,903 received from 23,442 people for $191 per person
NDP: $3,959,451 from 23,303 people for $170 per person
In 2009
The Conservatives received $23,348,714 from 142,612 people or $164 per person.
The Liberals received $13.8 million from 68,302 people or $202 per person.
The NDP received $5 million from 35,188 people or $144 per person.
In 2011
Cons: $22,737,966 from 110,267 -> $206 per person
Libs: $10,119,908 from 49,650 -> $204 per person
NDP: $7,427,060 from 37,778 -> $197 per person
It looks like lately the other parties are finding ways to increase their average contribution to Liberal levels. The 2002 donations though are before the laws were changed and show how much money the Liberal machine used to get from the wealthy and corporations.
Apparently the strip was at a charity event for the Canadian Liver Foundation, which was attended by Harper's wife the year prior when Justin stripped again to raise money. As for the 'Quebec is better' comment... he was in his late 20s, Harper was a sitting Prime Minister when he declared Calgary the greatest city in Canada. Just because it is true doesn't make it better.
On top of that the "Quebec" comment was totally taken out of context. He was in an interview and was referring to some Quebecers attitudes that they deserved more than average Canadians during his fathers time as PM. Swing and a miss Stevie.
Trudeau is goofy but this latest round of attack ads are scummy, even by normal attack ad standards. Making fun of the guy for taking part in a charity bachelor auction? Or his past job as a teacher? Has Harper ever even had a real job?
I know this is a Flames board and Alberta is Conservative ground zero but I think if people are able to look at these ads with any objectivity they are just cheap shots, which is really sad, because the guy has so many angles you could legitimately attack him on and you make fun of him for his behaviour trying to raise money for people with Liver disease?
Just when you think politics couldn't sink any lower. Anything to win I guess. At least maybe its a couple less "economic action plan" ads paid for with my tax dollars I'll have to watch.
i may end up voting for the Liberals just as a protest against how scummy the Conservative party is
Oh, you know, the whole plan to reintroduce the $6 billion in business tax cuts the government made so he could pay for his the-state-knows-better-than-you-how-to-raise-your-kids universal day care plan. Though you are right in that he did come back to the right in some aspects. Such as the lip service he payed re: environmentalism and the energy sector. So perhaps it is unfair to state that he was NDPesque overall, but his policies were all over the map, again indicating a party that had no clue what it actually stood for.
I'm pretty sure a universal child care program was part of the Liberal platform back in the Red Book days, or around then anyway.
And honestly - has nothing to do with the government "knowing better than you".
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On top of that the "Quebec" comment was totally taken out of context. He was in an interview and was referring to some Quebecers attitudes that they deserved more than average Canadians during his fathers time as PM. Swing and a miss Stevie.
It's so clearly taken out of context in the ad itself... Some conservative please tell me what he's doing to indicate that 'Quebec is better' comment is a truly held opinion of Justin Trudeau. He literally laughs the notion off as absurd in the last half-second before they cut away.
As a 24 year old, I've sorta seen it as an obligation to not vote conservative the last two elections just, well, just because. And as much as I don't think Harper is as bad as many way left leaning friends of mine do, I'm tired of his fearmongering.
Campaign on issues, Steve. You can only play the economy card so long, and when you can't, you being the most fundamentally unlikable PM in recent history may lead to a rather catastrophic decline of the CPC.
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Here's an interesting comparison Trudeau and his experience compared to other leaders/PMs. Maybe the most striking thing is how unqualified almost all of them seem in this context....save for Paul Martin.
Here's an interesting comparison Trudeau and his experience compared to other leaders/PMs. Maybe the most striking thing is how unqualified almost all of them seem in this context....save for Paul Martin.
Chretien too. He was a cabinet minister who held seven different portfolios at various times before he became party leader.
Interesting link, though. It certainly validates my previous comment in this thread that Harper's education/experience at the time he became leader wasn't that dissimilar to Trudeau's.
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In 2002
The Reform party received $7,294,757 from 95,531 people for $76 per person
The PCs received $3,358,232 from 11,555 people for $290 per person
The Liberals received $13,262,644 from 17,891 people for $741 per person
The NDP received $5,258,883 from 35,614 people for $148 per person
In 2007
Cons: $16,983,629 received from 107,492 people for $158 per person
Libs: $4,471,903 received from 23,442 people for $191 per person
NDP: $3,959,451 from 23,303 people for $170 per person
In 2009
The Conservatives received $23,348,714 from 142,612 people or $164 per person.
The Liberals received $13.8 million from 68,302 people or $202 per person.
The NDP received $5 million from 35,188 people or $144 per person.
In 2011
Cons: $22,737,966 from 110,267 -> $206 per person
Libs: $10,119,908 from 49,650 -> $204 per person
NDP: $7,427,060 from 37,778 -> $197 per person
It looks like lately the other parties are finding ways to increase their average contribution to Liberal levels. The 2002 donations though are before the laws were changed and show how much money the Liberal machine used to get from the wealthy and corporations.
