2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Disagree. Kind of. Teams looking for help on their blueline who are in a cap crunch might just take the on risk of a prospect that hasn't panned out yet so long as they can shed salary and maybe get a pick back as well.

Montreal for example. Needs cap space, needs blueliners.

Valimaki for Hoffman. They get a young D man who can use a change of scenery, we get a pure goal scorer for 2 years at a very reasonable cap hit.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Valimaki for Hoffman. They get a young D man who can use a change of scenery, we get a pure goal scorer for 2 years at a very reasonable cap hit.

I believe there are a few cap hits the Habs would like to be rid of. Add a bit more (pick etc) for each tier as it were and you could see Gallagher, Anderson or Hoffman moved.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't think he is or is being under-rated. I think people recognize you need to give to get and Hanifin has the most potential to recoup what we need (a proven scorer) without crippling the team. Hanifin could garner a lot of interest around the league if he were dangled.

and I think in the eyes of some people his performance in the playoffs soured them on the guy.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Valimaki for Hoffman. They get a young D man who can use a change of scenery, we get a pure goal scorer for 2 years at a very reasonable cap hit.

I would do that. Hoffman's biggest years were in Florida where he finished a lot of plays from one Jonathan Huberdeau. That is a good suggestion and the use of a player probably not in the plans for the Flames this year.

[JTech780]

I get the idea of having to give to get, or dealing from an area of strength. The problem is that we don’t have a surplus of top 4 defense. IMO Kylington isn’t a top 4 guy and is better suited on the bottom pair. We should leave our top 4 the way it is and look for help in other ways.

[home_sweet_dome]

Don't understand all the talk and desire to add another winger. Flames already have:

Huberdeau
Mangi
Toffoli
Dube
Coleman
Pelletier
and Coronato coming in the near future

There's no need to spend any more assets and cap space on wingers. Yes we lost 2 stud wingers and replaced them with 1 but reconstructing the team with better D (done with Weegar) and stronger up the middle is a much better blueprint for success than having 2 stud, expensive wingers anyways.

The true need is a center to play behind Lindholm. Ideally would be more of a playmaker than scorer as all our wingers are more finishers than play makers with the exception of Huberdeau.

With the rest of the roster as currently constructed, the Flames are a legit Cup contender the day Backlund is legitimately the #3C and the only way that happens is adding a top 6 C, not winger.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

and I think in the eyes of some people his performance in the playoffs soured them on the guy.

Yup. That and they better figure out if he has any interest in staying. Because he has a ton of trade value right now with his contract.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I get the idea of having to give to get, or dealing from an area of strength. The problem is that we don’t have a surplus of top 4 defense. IMO Kylington isn’t a top 4 guy and is better suited on the bottom pair. We should leave our top 4 the way it is and look for help in other ways.

Zadorov and Kylington could both make a case for the 2nd pairing, especially dependent on who they're partnered with.

We currently have 6 guys (Weegar, Tanev, Andersson, Hanifin, Kylington, Zadorov) who can play top 4 and 2 guys who can play bottom pairing (Mackey, Valimaki, and Stone if he returns).

There's no "other ways" to look for help, we don't have any surplus at all in terms of:
- Top 6 forwards
- Top 9 forwards
- Goaltending
- NHL ready prospects
- Blue chip prospects
- Draft picks

Defense, specifically 2nd pairing defense, is exactly what we have a surplus of and is the area we need to deal from to fill the top 6 scoring forward role that is currently gaping. Hanifin is likely the only guy that is both highly valued and replaceable through a blend of the return we get and the guy replacing him from down the lineup.

[mile]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Don't understand all the talk and desire to add another winger. Flames already have:

Huberdeau
Mangi
Toffoli
Dube
Coleman
Pelletier
and Coronato coming in the near future

There's no need to spend any more assets and cap space on wingers. Yes we lost 2 stud wingers and replaced them with 1 but reconstructing the team with better D (done with Weegar) and stronger up the middle is a much better blueprint for success than having 2 stud, expensive wingers anyways.

The true need is a center to play behind Lindholm. Ideally would be more of a playmaker than scorer as all our wingers are more finishers than play makers with the exception of Huberdeau.

With the rest of the roster as currently constructed, the Flames are a legit Cup contender the day Backlund is legitimately the #3C and the only way that happens is adding a top 6 C, not winger.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Zadorov and Kylington could both make a case for the 2nd pairing, especially dependent on who they're partnered with.

We currently have 6 guys (Weegar, Tanev, Andersson, Hanifin, Kylington, Zadorov) who can play top 4 and 2 guys who can play bottom pairing (Mackey, Valimaki, and Stone if he returns).

There's no "other ways" to look for help, we don't have any surplus at all in terms of:
- Top 6 forwards
- Top 9 forwards
- Goaltending
- NHL ready prospects
- Blue chip prospects
- Draft picks

Defense, specifically 2nd pairing defense, is exactly what we have a surplus of and is the area we need to deal from to fill the top 6 scoring forward role that is currently gaping. Hanifin is likely the only guy that is both highly valued and replaceable through a blend of the return we get and the guy replacing him from down the lineup.

That’s where I disagree; Kylington and Zadorov can play top 4 in a pinch, but I wouldn’t say that either are top 4 defensemen and not guys I want in the top 4 on a regular basis, both are better suited for bottom pairing duties.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

Don't understand all the talk and desire to add another winger. Flames already have:

Huberdeau
Mangi
Toffoli
Dube
Coleman
Pelletier
and Coronato coming in the near future

There's no need to spend any more assets and cap space on wingers. Yes we lost 2 stud wingers and replaced them with 1 but reconstructing the team with better D (done with Weegar) and stronger up the middle is a much better blueprint for success than having 2 stud, expensive wingers anyways.

The true need is a center to play behind Lindholm. Ideally would be more of a playmaker than scorer as all our wingers are more finishers than play makers with the exception of Huberdeau.

With the rest of the roster as currently constructed, the Flames are a legit Cup contender the day Backlund is legitimately the #3C and the only way that happens is adding a top 6 C, not winger.

I’ve mentioned Barzal wondering if he could be had for the right price. Would the islanders consider a trade for Barzal centered around hanifin?

Something like:

Hanifin + Coronato/Zary + Florida’s first round pick

For Barzal + conditional 2nd/3rd round pick

He fits the bill as a playmaking center. Lots of speed and lots of skill. Only 25 years old.


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[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I’ve mentioned Barzal wondering if he could be had for the right price. Would the islanders consider a trade for Barzal centered around hanifin?

Something like:

Hanifin + Coronato/Zary + Florida’s first round pick

For Barzal + conditional 2nd/3rd round pick

He fits the bill as a playmaking center. Lots of speed and lots of skill. Only 25 years old.


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I doubt they would give up Barzal. If they did, I guess they would want a high end center coming back the other way.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I'd imagine it would take a king's ransom to get Barzal unfortunately. Otherwise he'd be perfect for Calgary

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

The true need is a center to play behind Lindholm. Ideally would be more of a playmaker than scorer as all our wingers are more finishers than play makers with the exception of Huberdeau.

With the rest of the roster as currently constructed, the Flames are a legit Cup contender the day Backlund is legitimately the #3C and the only way that happens is adding a top 6 C, not winger.

what if management is counting on Monahan to put up 60+ pts again? this solves all our problems.

[Roof-Daddy]

The C depth of this team is questionable IMO with Monahan being a huge question mark

That's why I'm hoping for Kadri or Stastny. Both come with zero acquisition cost as free agents and hedge against Monahan not bouncing back.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by JTech780

That’s where I disagree; Kylington and Zadorov can play top 4 in a pinch, but I wouldn’t say that either are top 4 defensemen and not guys I want in the top 4 on a regular basis, both are better suited for bottom pairing duties.

By the same argument, both the top line RW position and 2nd line C position are going to be filled with guys who can play there in a pinch but aren't guys you want there on a regular basis.

I put both positions as a higher priority to address than a 2nd pairing D.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I'd imagine it would take a king's ransom to get Barzal unfortunately. Otherwise he'd be perfect for Calgary

He's not worth a king's ransom though. He's not an elite talent or a complete player. He's a good player but he's got a little overrated over the years. Do people even realize he has a career high of 22 goals and it's the only time he surpassed 20 goals?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

what if management is counting on Monahan to put up 60+ pts again? this solves all our problems.

If management id counting on Monny putting up 60 points, we likely have a management problem.

Hoping? Sure.

Counting on? No way.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's not worth a king's ransom though. He's not an elite talent or a complete player. He's a good player but he's got a little overrated over the years. Do people even realize he has a career high of 22 goals and it's the only time he surpassed 20 goals?

I think his skill level is still somewhat untapped in terms of what he can do with other skilled players and what he can do under a different coaching system.

I think he’s a great target for Calgary but may cost too much to acquire. Whether he is worth a kings ransom or not, I think the islanders would require it since he is their #1 center and their most skilled player. I don’t know if the trade proposal I put forward would be enough considering that. Even though it’s a top 2 defenseman, a top prospect, and a first round pick.


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[Psytic]

Kadri or Stastny does make the most sense. If Monahan does bounce back your not out a bunch of prospects or D man. They got manhandled by the Oil without Tanev. Im not sure why people keep wanting to move D at this time.