2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The reason other acquisitions slot in above him is because he hasn't risen. The Flames absolutely want Valimaki to be part of their future, but HE has to make that happen.

That’s my point. His star has fallen. He spent a lot of time in Sutter’s doghouse.

A few guys like Kylington and Mackey have leap frogged him. As well as free agents like Zadorov and Weegar doing to same.

I think he had his moment in the sun and he didn’t take advantage.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Trading Hanifin will be a mistake. One more year of Sutter and he will be even better IMO. He's awesome and I do not understand why Flames fans don't give this guy the credit he deserves.

Like straight up, Hanifin is better than Andersson and will continue to be. Why not trade Andersson instead if we have to trade a Dman?

In general this fan base doesn't like d-men that play the game like Hanifin.

Was the same thing with Bouwmeester.

[Mr.Coffee]

It's just so weird to me that people are so all-in on Kylington who is worse and is the same age as Hanifin yet Hanifin sucks and needs to be shipped out. I'm a fan of Kylington too, he's good- it's not even a knock on the guy.

Hanifin is better, has always been better, has always had more upside, remains on a cap friendly deal..... yet let's trade him. I mean obviously if the value is crazy or maybe people are thinking we have to trade quality to get quality I dunno, but our D looks amazing right now and I sure wouldn't want to F with it.

[Goriders]

I think the next 3 to 4 years are the Flames window. I’d be going for it if I were them.

We have good goaltending and a solid D group. I think they need one more high end forward to replace some of the Gaudreau and Tkachuk point production. I don’t think they will get it out of the rest of yhe current roster.

Kadri, JT Miller, P Kane. Or something to that effect.

If the Flames can somehow land a player of that caliber I think we’re a better team than last year. Especially in terms of the playoffs.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It's just so weird to me that people are so all-in on Kylington who is worse and is the same age as Hanifin yet Hanifin sucks and needs to be shipped out. I'm a fan of Kylington too, he's good- it's not even a knock on the guy.

Hanifin is better, has always been better, has always had more upside, remains on a cap friendly deal..... yet let's trade him. I mean obviously if the value is crazy or maybe people are thinking we have to trade quality to get quality I dunno, but our D looks amazing right now and I sure wouldn't want to F with it.

I dont think anyone has said Hanifin sucks. You are the one creating that narrative.

People are saying he has the highest trade value to bring back a top line, same aged forward.

If we think Hanifin's development has peaked, then trading him before he asks for a 7 million contract for forward help is a viable strategy.

I see Hanifin as a 2nd pairing D who can't handle the leagues best players. We have a depth of D and I don't think they take a large step back getting rid of him as a group.

You don't give him away, but if you could get a similar contract, similar aged forward I would pull the trigger. Deal from strength to address your weakness.

Now if you think Hanifin can turn into a true #1, then you keep him for sure. I just don't see it.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It's just so weird to me that people are so all-in on Kylington who is worse and is the same age as Hanifin yet Hanifin sucks and needs to be shipped out. I'm a fan of Kylington too, he's good- it's not even a knock on the guy.

Hanifin is better, has always been better, has always had more upside, remains on a cap friendly deal..... yet let's trade him. I mean obviously if the value is crazy or maybe people are thinking we have to trade quality to get quality I dunno, but our D looks amazing right now and I sure wouldn't want to F with it.

Kylington is shakey. Definitely took a step last year. But still inconsistant.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It's just so weird to me that people are so all-in on Kylington who is worse and is the same age as Hanifin yet Hanifin sucks and needs to be shipped out. I'm a fan of Kylington too, he's good- it's not even a knock on the guy.

Hanifin is better, has always been better, has always had more upside, remains on a cap friendly deal..... yet let's trade him. I mean obviously if the value is crazy or maybe people are thinking we have to trade quality to get quality I dunno, but our D looks amazing right now and I sure wouldn't want to F with it.

I think it’s the quality/quality thing, in which we’d be moving some quality out of the defence and moving it into the forwards.

Hanifin is the perfect target for that because he’s good and cheap, so you’d like get good quality back that would hopefully make up for the drop in quality from Hanifin to Kylington.

Trading Kylington or Valimaki isn’t going to get us any worthwhile help up front.

[Electricprez]

Noah Hanifin is also 25 years old.
That's extremely easy to forget. I don't think the guy has hit his ceiling yet.

[mile]

If Kylington takes another step this season and looks like he can be a reliable #3, maybe you consider dealing Hanifin next off-season. Not right now though.

Really love how our defense looks at the moment. With Weegar, Hanifin will play where he should be playing - as a #3 defenseman.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What if those extensions is contingent on the Flames filling the loss of the top six player on the roster? Those guys could be waiting to see what the next move is because the offense is dramatically weaker than last season and the Flames need to improve upon last year's lineup. Weegar is a good step on the blueline, but the team needs another proven scorer to backfill the loss of Gaudreau/Tkachuk.

I don't know if I would say dramatically weaker, but they definitely need another top 6 player. And they have the ability to add one.

The defense has been improved, now they need to add to the forward group. I am not saying it has to be Kadri, but they need to add someone. And if it means having to move Lucic to do it, so be it.

But I believe that if they can add one more top 6 forward (top line RW or 2nd line C), that this team might be better than last year.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Trading Kylington or Valimaki isn’t going to get us any worthwhile help up front.

Disagree. Kind of. Teams looking for help on their blueline who are in a cap crunch might just take the on risk of a prospect that hasn't panned out yet so long as they can shed salary and maybe get a pick back as well.

Montreal for example. Needs cap space, needs blueliners.

[Saqe]

Since the telephone lines are open between the two teams, how about Valimaki for Duclair? He got benched in the playoffs and rightfully so, he wasn't good at all and I can see Florida wanting to move on. He was good in the regular season though, scored 30 goals and is on a good contract. Florida also would shed about 1.5 million in cap space which they pretty desperately need. Duclair is also injured for a few months still and Florida is thin on defense, which would add more value to them.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Disagree. Kind of. Teams looking for help on their blueline who are in a cap crunch might just take the on risk of a prospect that hasn't panned out yet so long as they can shed salary and maybe get a pick back as well.

Montreal for example. Needs cap space, needs blueliners.

Maybe, but to fill the need we have we can't add a cap dump or an overpaid player, and you'll not swapping Kylington for a player that fits our need from a talent and cap perspective without adding extra assets.

[OptimalTates]

I think the Panthers would hold onto their 30 goal scorer making peanuts if the only offer they had was a player that will likely be available for free on the waiverwire in a couple months.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, Valimaki isn't getting you Duclair. Kylington plus is a possibility, if they are a fan of him. Not sure what the plus would need to be - probably at least a 2nd

[Saqe]

On paper it looks lopsided but

a. Everyones stats were inflated last year with Florida, Duclair can probably give you 20 goals every year but he is very inconsistent in general and has been moved around a lot.
b. Getting benched in the playoffs was deserved and it wasn't a good look. I think they would have moved him this year if it wasn't for his injury.
c. Cap space is at a premium, even if it's just 1.5 million that has value (3rd rounder?) and Florida needs to add a defenseman with zero cap space left.
We've seen really good players like Bjorkstrand and Pacioretty getting moved for nothing and Duclair isn't on their level.
d. He is injured until November-December I believe so any team trading for him isn't getting any value out of him until then. Also recovering from
and achiles injury may affect him for a while.

Valimaki is still young and he did show a lot of promise. I don't know if he has any long term injury issues but if not he could be worth a gamble.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Kadri, JT Miller, P Kane. Or something to that effect.

If the Flames can somehow land a player of that caliber I think we’re a better team than last year. Especially in terms of the playoffs.

Kadri will just cost money, and needs to have Colorado not be able to fit him in.

The other two will likely cost draft and prospect capital Calgary cannot afford.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't know if I would say dramatically weaker, but they definitely need another top 6 player. And they have the ability to add one.

The defense has been improved, now they need to add to the forward group. I am not saying it has to be Kadri, but they need to add someone. And if it means having to move Lucic to do it, so be it.

But I believe that if they can add one more top 6 forward (top line RW or 2nd line C), that this team might be better than last year.

Dramatically weaker. Anytime you take a 40 goal, 100+ point player out of your lineup you are going to be dramatically weaker. The Flames took out two of those players and replaced them with 30 goal, 100+ point player. That's a big loss. That's 50ish goals that need to be replaced. That's a dramatic gap to fill.

I agree, for this team to be better than last season they need to add another top six forward that can score. I don't care who it is, but they need someone who is proven that can step in and fill the net when the opportunities are there. I don't see that coming from within the system, nor the current lineup, so it has to come externally. Might have to move some of that defensive depth (Hanifin) to bring in that needed scoring depth. The potential is there, the moves just have to be made.

[Flames1217]

Hanifin is so underated here.

Just because he isn't flashy doesn't mean he isn't effective. 25 year old top pairing defenceman who eats up a ton of minutes and plays a solid two way game.

I would move any other defender before I consider moving Hanifin

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Hanifin is so underated here.

I don't think he is or is being under-rated. I think people recognize you need to give to get and Hanifin has the most potential to recoup what we need (a proven scorer) without crippling the team. Hanifin could garner a lot of interest around the league if he were dangled.