[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Death,taxes and Ekblad injury's

Funny thing is that his first six seasons were almost injury free save for the 2016/17 season. I can only assume the past few seasons are more bad luck than him being glass.

[Mathgod]

Montour is already out. Panthers are in a real pickle if Ekblad misses any significant time.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

We're pretty much ####ed.

Ekblad is the cornerstone on a weak defense. If you remove Montour as well you suddenly have this:

Forsling-Gudas
Staal-Mahura
Carlsson-Del Zotto

FML.

[Textcritic]

^
Jesus. That is Oilersesque.

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[bdubbs]

What's happening to FLA is exactly why Sutter likes having 8-9 NHL ready defensemen.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Flames89

Tkachuk will be one of my favourite ex flames for a long time. His departure negotiation has revitalized this team.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll rip him during a game, but no player departure has ever been with such mutual consideration.
Thanks Matty.

Tkachuk didn't lead the Flames on that he wanted to re-sign here and then stiff them at the last minute. That is a real jerk move.

However, to say he was being considerate is ridiculous. He was looking out for #1 all along. He had a great season under Sutter and realized he was never getting a bigger pay day than now. He has a very short list of teams he would go to. Tkachuk was taking care of himself and didn't care what happened to the Flames sinking ship.

Treliving was the one who somehow turned this brutal hand into a royal flush. Tkachuk doesn't deserve any credit for helping the Flames.

[midniteowl]

Never mind defense, who need defense, they can always out score their opponents, they've just added an unicorn to their lineup.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Tkachuk didn't lead the Flames on that he wanted to re-sign here and then stiff them at the last minute. That is a real jerk move.

However, to say he was being considerate is ridiculous. He was looking out for #1 all along. He had a great season under Sutter and realized he was never getting a bigger pay day than now. He has a very short list of teams he would go to. Tkachuk was taking care of himself and didn't care what happened to the Flames sinking ship.

Treliving was the one who somehow turned this brutal hand into a royal flush. Tkachuk doesn't deserve any credit for helping the Flames.

I'm sure I'm in the minority that actually commiserates with Johnny more so than Tkachuk. I truly believe Johnny wanted to be here, but life took over and he had to make a decision for his family that he likely didn't want to make.

I don't think Tkachuk ever had any intention of being here long term, so like you said, he was just out for #1 and couldn't give a damn about the team. With that said, he was definitely more professional about the situation than Johnny was and allowed us to keep our team rolling, but it was also mutually beneficial for him to do that so that he could cash in when his value was the highest. Who knows what his contract would have looked like next year without Johnny passing him the puck.

So I like to look at it as Johnny actually wanted to be here and sign long term and Tkachuk had no intention of doing so.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Tkachuk didn't lead the Flames on that he wanted to re-sign here and then stiff them at the last minute. That is a real jerk move.

However, to say he was being considerate is ridiculous. He was looking out for #1 all along. He had a great season under Sutter and realized he was never getting a bigger pay day than now. He has a very short list of teams he would go to. Tkachuk was taking care of himself and didn't care what happened to the Flames sinking ship.

Treliving was the one who somehow turned this brutal hand into a royal flush. Tkachuk doesn't deserve any credit for helping the Flames.

Chucky could have signed is 1 year QO without telling the team about his plans to walk in FA next summer. That would have been far worse for the Flames. Instead, Chucky was honest and upfront with the team about his long term plans. To me, that shows far more maturity than what Johnny did.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

What's happening to FLA is exactly why Sutter likes having 8-9 NHL ready defensemen.

And we saw the effect of losing just one of them - albeit Tanev last year. Losing 1 or 2 top four d-men is a death sentence in today's NHL.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Chucky could have signed is 1 year QO without telling the team about his plans to walk in FA next summer. That would have been far worse for the Flames. Instead, Chucky was honest and upfront with the team about his long term plans. To me, that shows far more maturity than what Johnny did.

Has way more to do with wanting to cash in on a long term deal, then being nice to Calgary. He was doing what was best for him, it just happened to benefit the Flames.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I’m only thanking Zito, we could have easily gotten a “meh” return that would have set this team back years, if not fill rebuild mode.

If he was a half decent GM he should have gotten Hanifin from us too.

[GioforPM]

Wt

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Has way more to do with wanting to cash in on a long term deal, then being nice to Calgary. He was doing what was best for him, it just happened to benefit the Flames.

But it did benefit the Flames, that's the point. And it wouldn't have happened if he wasn't honest and upfront. Sometimes situations can be mutually beneficial, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Chucky could have signed is 1 year QO without telling the team about his plans to walk in FA next summer. That would have been far worse for the Flames. Instead, Chucky was honest and upfront with the team about his long term plans. To me, that shows far more maturity than what Johnny did.

Lionising what Tkachuk did is ridiculous. He was not doing the Flames a favour; he was accelerating his departure, providing himself the immediate opportunity to play in his chosen location, while also taking advantage of his only chance to sign an eight-year deal. I don't begrudge him at all for using the system like he did to his advantage. But by the same token, neither am I naive enough to believe that his actions were for the benefit of anyone but himself.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

But it did benefit the Flames, that's the point. And it wouldn't have happened if he wasn't honest and upfront. Sometimes situations can be mutually beneficial, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Yes, but let's stop pretending that Tkachuk cared a lick about how much his decision benefitted Calgary.

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[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes, but let's stop pretending that Tkachuk cared a lick about how much his decision benefitted Calgary.

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I don't care about whether or not he wanted to help Calgary. I only care about the final result. Even if the deal with Florida wasn't available, the Flames still would have got a decent return for Chucky vs nothing at all for losing Johnny.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I don't care about whether or not he wanted to help Calgary. I only care about the final result. Even if the deal with Florida wasn't available, the Flames still would have got a decent return for Chucky vs nothing at all for losing Johnny.

I think we can all agree on that. But there was only one reason he was transparent. It’s because he didn’t want to sign a 1 year deal. He wanted a long term contract, but not with Calgary.

Also, I’m glad it worked out the way it did. If Gaudreau and Tkachuk would’ve signed we would’ve lost Mangiapane. Keeping Mangiapane and adding Huberdeau, Weegar and Kadri is a huge win.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

We're pretty much ####ed.

Ekblad is the cornerstone on a weak defense. If you remove Montour as well you suddenly have this:

Forsling-Gudas
Staal-Mahura
Carlsson-Del Zotto

FML.

How long term are we talking?...Panthers have a pretty easy schedule to start the year...Tampa is the only really tough opponent I see in the first 10 games.

[Mathgod]

Yeah. The thing that preplexes me though is people acting like Chucky was a completely selfish ####### while at the same time making Johnny out to be some kind of saint. If Johnny really wanted to stay, he would have found a way to make it happen.