[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[Enoch Root]

if acquiring goalies is so easy, I am baffled as to why NJ doesn't have one

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Nothing you say will have any sway in what Fitz and the Devils are thinking or will decide to do, don't know why you're speaking like it will lol. You can be as sure of yourself as you want, in the end you're just playing house with GM dolls.

What is known is that Fitz wants Markstrom, and he's gone back to the Flames multiple times to try and get him, and made said desire public.

Appears you're having trouble coping with this objective truth.

[Southside]

New poster, seems awfully comfortable here.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

A) that site has no inside info, they literally pull their #### exclusively off capfriendly trade machine proposals
B) even there it states that's what calgary wants. Not that NJD has offered it.

Okay, another one.

https://dailyhive.com/calgary/flames...alks-markstrom

"Pagnotta also confirmed what many believed, which was that 22-year-old Alexander Holtz would have been one of the pieces headed to Calgary had the deal gone through."

Now STFU.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Absolutely
Go get them
Entice them to come to your organization, New Jersey, as you complete against other organizations that aren’t located in garbage dumps and have a better chance at the cup……

The moment you lose focus on reality is the moment you lose leverage

How many trade demands have come out of calgary in the past few years? How many top of market contracts declined? How many NTCs is calgary on?

based on my count its: Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Gaudreau, and Tkachuk, Backlund.

And for NJD its: ......

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yes. Which is why it's generally very telling of market values of players. Since draft capital is not involved, teams pay in money.

If a team has to pay in draft capital (RFAs, Picks, Trades), they are compensated with a savings in cap.

If Jacob Markstrom were a free agent this coming offseason how much money would you pay him as a free agent on a 2 year deal? It's a simple question to gauge value.

Is this how you buy things? Like you roll into Best Buy and try to convince other shoppers that the prices are too high and that you will just buy something later when the prices are reasonable?

What's the end game here? Conroy reads you ever so eloquent posts and immediately calls NJ and trades Markstrom for a used jock?

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Okay, another one.

https://dailyhive.com/calgary/flames...alks-markstrom

"Pagnotta also confirmed what many believed, which was that 22-year-old Alexander Holtz would have been one of the pieces headed to Calgary had the deal gone through."

Now STFU.

So again, like I said. Alex Holtz mentioned. No mention of a 1st round pick being offered by NJD. You'd think a piece that significant would garner a mention.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

do two butterflies flapping their wings cancel each other out?

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I’m not attacking CP sources or any of that nonsense, but they have a good argument about Markstrom’s value that no one seems to want to discuss.

Just because the poster is new their viewpoint is discredited? That’s silly.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

i have yet to see any report stating that njd offered holtz+1st. I have asked countless flames fans, none can provide a link to said source.

lol

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

So again, like I said. Alex Holtz mentioned. No mention of a 1st round pick being offered by NJD. You'd think a piece that significant would garner a mention.

Yeah, you're right.


Holtz as the return would've been too light.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

How many trade demands have come out of calgary in the past few years? How many top of market contracts declined? How many NTCs is calgary on?

based on my count its: Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Gaudreau, and Tkachuk, Backlund.

And for NJD its: ......

I mean, Markstrom chose to sign here, and not there.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

NJD's 2024 1st is no longer on the table, but if you prefer a pick return for Markstrom

Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)
or
2025 1st+2nd+3rd for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

And frankly the offer goes down significantly in the offseason

Meh pass. Holtz has almost no value and even your GM agrees lol. Fitz his pants just unloaded on Holtz in an interview a few days ago and he’s gonna get you a #1 goalie 1 for 1? And you think the reigning Vezina goalie (Ullmark) will be cheaper?!? Did they legalize weed in New Jersey recently?

Geez you’d think a fan of the team who rode the hell out of Brodeur to success would realize the value of a very good starting goalie. Honestly the Devils outside of Mercer don’t have the assets to acquire Markstrom

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

How many trade demands have come out of calgary in the past few years? How many top of market contracts declined? How many NTCs is calgary on?

based on my count its: Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Gaudreau, and Tkachuk, Backlund.

And for NJD its: ......

Even our greatest rival nailed it
And
I gotta agree

Mickey Mouse can go get the free agent goalie they desire and not even bother with Calgary
Which leads me to wonder why you are even arguing here
Buttercup

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Nothing you say will have any sway in what Fitz and the Devils are thinking or will decide to do, don't know why you're speaking like it will lol. You can be as sure of yourself as you want, in the end you're just playing house with GM dolls.

What is known is that Fitz wants Markstrom, and he's gone back to the Flames multiple times to try and get him, and made said desire public.

Appears you're having trouble coping with this objective truth.

I've looked through here. Seems like you guys were off on every single trade return so far.

I said for months to Calgary fans on cap friendly. Look at the comps. look at the comps. And shockingly it lined up exactly with the comps (frankly I even overestimated it at a devils comp of 1st+Bahl+3rd for 50% retention)

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

How many trade demands have come out of calgary in the past few years? How many top of market contracts declined? How many NTCs is calgary on?

based on my count its: Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Gaudreau, and Tkachuk, Backlund.

And for NJD its: ......

Come into someone else’s house and attack them

Nice to see you for what you are…

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

How many trade demands have come out of calgary in the past few years? How many top of market contracts declined? How many NTCs is calgary on?

based on my count its: Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Gaudreau, and Tkachuk, Backlund.

And for NJD its: ......

Toffoli just reportedly turned down an offer from NJ this week ffs..... lmao

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I’m not attacking CP sources or any of that nonsense, but they have a good argument about Markstrom’s value that no one seems to want to discuss.

Just because the poster is new their viewpoint is discredited? That’s silly.

Their viewpoint isn't being discredited because they're new, it's because the viewpoint is misguided, self-serving, sometimes wrong, and delivered with far too much abrasiveness.

As for you, the fact that you continue to tout your Markstrom-isn't-worth-a-bag-of-pucks position, despite the potential trade VERY much to the contrary, is truly astounding.

[Bert]

to be fair that post from Pagnotta said Holtz would be ONE OF THE PIECES coming back. So maybe he heard that name but not the rest of the package, which is why it wasn't stated. Doesn't mean there wouldn't have been a first involved.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

How many trade demands have come out of calgary in the past few years? How many top of market contracts declined? How many NTCs is calgary on?

based on my count its: Toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Gaudreau, and Tkachuk, Backlund.

And for NJD its: ......

Uh, all those Flames were open to re-signing in Calgary, and have said so publicly in the past. Even Chucky at one time. All those players have said they liked playing here and liked the city.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

This dude is a purebread troll.

Should be out on his arse by dawn at this rate lol.

Give him hell, boys!