[Trade] Flames trade Tanev (double retention) to Dallas for 2nd, cond. 3rd, Grushnikov

[Paulie Walnuts]

Everyday people wanted Tanev traded or sat because of injury risk. Now he's traded and it's complaining.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Or your expectations for a 34 year old UFA are wildly out of whack.

Expectations are high for a reason. This is not an off-season trade - it's rental type trade just before the deadline to bolster another team's Cup run. I'm just surprised the retention is that much for a nothing. Gotta makes you think Tre was on drugs dealing Monahan - and that was during the off-season!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I think we can all agree that the worst thing about the trade is watching 23 games of Oesterle instead of Tanev. At least it should improve our pick position.

Pourier please!

[Reggie Dunlop]

Fantastic deal for the Flames. I like it!

[Sandman]

Here's my Profile of Grushnikov from 2021:

LHD Artyom Grushnikov,6'2"174lbs (Krasnaya Armiya Moskva,MHL): Hasn't played any hockey this season, as he was supposed to be joining the OHL's Hamilton Bulldogs. In 2019-20, he put up 5pts in 29 games as a 16/17 year old in the MHL, a men's pro league in Russia. The fact that he was trusted in that league at that age, should tell you something about this kid. At this point, Grushnikov is known as a top-notch, very reliable defensive defenseman, who can also lead the rush out of the zone.

Grush has good size and 4-way skating ability. His edgework and agility are near-elite, he can change direction instantly. He has the straight-ahead speed to keep up with the smaller, speedier forwards. His stellar backwards skating allows him to push opponents towards the boards, and out of high-danger. Grushnikov's bread and butter is his defensive game, he's never out of position. He guards the crease, ties players up, and outmuscles attackers down low. Great at taking away the middle of the zone, breaks down passing lanes, and pushes opponents to the outside. He's exceptional when it comes to shot-blocking, be it with his body, or deflecting it with his stick. Best of all, he consistently makes smart decisions under pressure-he'll break down plays, retrieve the puck, and get the play going the other way, either by skating it out himself, or through one of his other specialties- his stretch pass, which he does as good, or better than anyone in this draft. He's also able to choke out rushes in transition. He's very physical-he doesn't hesitate to lay the body, or rough up an attacker.

Grushnikov is an excellent distributor of the puck, not only by the aforementioned stretch-pass-he can thread the needle in any zone. His passes are often hard and crisp, and he's the master of the slap-pass. On the PP, he walks the line and scans for open lanes, and he gets good velocity on his slapshot. He can jump into the rush, and lead the attack. He's excellent in transition, and can enter or exit zones with his feet, or his tape-to-tape pass. If a team can harness and develop his offense further, you will have a top-pairing defenseman- and he has the skills. His speed, shot and passing are all there. He could use work on his shooting, as he gets blocked, deflected, or misses the net-he needs to learn the same patience he wields in the defensive zone, and select the right time to shoot. His skating could use work in acceleration, and top speed- the mechanics are already there, and his edges and agility are fantastic. This is a very safe pick, as he's sure to develop into a second pairing D, at worst. He would be the ideal player to play with a more offensive-minded partner. Lots to like about this kid. Look for him to go in the 2nd/3rd round.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Pourier please!

Maybe let him play in the AHL after his injury

[Fourteen FTW]

Originally Posted by Locke

Um...'Length?'

What is that supposed to mean?

I hear girth is usually more desirable.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What are you basing that on?

Considering that he is playing in the AHL at 20, I would say that alone puts him a fair bit higher than 5th round in a redraft.

Well, based on past history, he has about a 0% chance of being an impactful player, and a 25% chance of playing some games as a depth rotational dman. Where would you take him?

Fwiw, there’s only so many contracts you get - so he takes the spot of another flier.

There just isn’t a lot of trade value here.

It does seem that he is reviewed well for his defensive abilities and makeup - hopefully he has a chance to contribute in some capacity, and prevent the necessity of an Engelland type signing where real dollars are committed towards a free agent for that role.


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[looooob]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

There seems to be a big blind spot in Calgarys scouting department in that they keep targeting the same type of defenseman in Kuznetsov, Boltmann, Jurmo and now Grushnikov, players who have next to no chance of becoming useful NHL players, and expecting different results.

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for sure there is a player type there, having said that , alot of people drooling over Dallas- they used a 2nd rounder on him


this guy 5pts/44 games , Tanev 9/39 in their first AHL season

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We should never forget: We're selling because our players aren't very good, and the team isn't very good because of it.

This is not a great return, but it is better than nothing - and that's an improvement for this organization.

As Flames fans, our hopes often lead us away from the cold, harsh truth of our reality.

The team not being great does not mean that each player isn't good.

Tanev is what he is, no point trying to water that down, based on team results.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Fantastic deal for the Flames. I like it!

Reggie what can you tell us about this prospect, Conroy obviously likes him, any idea what he's seeing in this guy?

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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I still can't get over the devils being in on the trade.

Have they thrown in the towel

The Devils have 10 million in cap space. They might as well use it for something.

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Originally Posted by butterfly

I think we can all agree that the worst thing about the trade is watching 23 games of Oesterle instead of Tanev. At least it should improve our pick position.

Oh god I hope we don't have to put up with Oesterle. Anyone else from the Wranglers please.

[Bingo]

Seems like a lot of expectation pumping going on on the site these days. Not by everyone of course, but certainly by those disappointed in this deal.

I never saw it likely that they were getting someone greater in value than a 1st round pick (Stankoven / Bourque).

The Flames have waited 6 weeks since Tanev was almost traded to Vancouver in the Lindholm deal holding out for a first round pick.

That is a #### load of patience.

So finally they said enough is enough and took the 2nd plus and maybe plus. The fact that the prospect is a recent 2nd says that's a pretty good adder.

At some point you have to say ok lets do something.

I'm sure internally they set a date when they would move on each player or at very least move of of the two defensemen.

Have to play out the battle plan.

Once again all bonus that Calgary is acting out the retool and ignoring recent success.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Config is very new to this. Seems like he got worked a bit. If you sit on tanev and take nothing because no one’s meets your price, that’s not a terrible thing to do in your first year as GM, build up a reputation. Also to retain 50% and still not get a first is a letdown.

Actually, it would be a terrible thing to let Tanev walk for nothing.

This notion that Conroy is being tested or pushed around is dumb. Trades today aren’t made by a lone GM sitting with his feet on his desk and chewing a cigar. They’re analytical and collaborative, with a whole team of executives and experts crunching numbers and working out valuations. Emotions and macho posturing play little part.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Here's my Profile of Grushnikov from 2021:



LHD Artyom Grushnikov,6'2"174lbs (Krasnaya Armiya Moskva,MHL): Hasn't played any hockey this season, as he was supposed to be joining the OHL's Hamilton Bulldogs. In 2019-20, he put up 5pts in 29 games as a 16/17 year old in the MHL, a men's pro league in Russia. The fact that he was trusted in that league at that age, should tell you something about this kid. At this point, Grushnikov is known as a top-notch, very reliable defensive defenseman, who can also lead the rush out of the zone.



Grush has good size and 4-way skating ability. His edgework and agility are near-elite, he can change direction instantly. He has the straight-ahead speed to keep up with the smaller, speedier forwards. His stellar backwards skating allows him to push opponents towards the boards, and out of high-danger. Grushnikov's bread and butter is his defensive game, he's never out of position. He guards the crease, ties players up, and outmuscles attackers down low. Great at taking away the middle of the zone, breaks down passing lanes, and pushes opponents to the outside. He's exceptional when it comes to shot-blocking, be it with his body, or deflecting it with his stick. Best of all, he consistently makes smart decisions under pressure-he'll break down plays, retrieve the puck, and get the play going the other way, either by skating it out himself, or through one of his other specialties- his stretch pass, which he does as good, or better than anyone in this draft. He's also able to choke out rushes in transition. He's very physical-he doesn't hesitate to lay the body, or rough up an attacker.



Grushnikov is an excellent distributor of the puck, not only by the aforementioned stretch-pass-he can thread the needle in any zone. His passes are often hard and crisp, and he's the master of the slap-pass. On the PP, he walks the line and scans for open lanes, and he gets good velocity on his slapshot. He can jump into the rush, and lead the attack. He's excellent in transition, and can enter or exit zones with his feet, or his tape-to-tape pass. If a team can harness and develop his offense further, you will have a top-pairing defenseman- and he has the skills. His speed, shot and passing are all there. He could use work on his shooting, as he gets blocked, deflected, or misses the net-he needs to learn the same patience he wields in the defensive zone, and select the right time to shoot. His skating could use work in acceleration, and top speed- the mechanics are already there, and his edges and agility are fantastic. This is a very safe pick, as he's sure to develop into a second pairing D, at worst. He would be the ideal player to play with a more offensive-minded partner. Lots to like about this kid. Look for him to go in the 2nd/3rd round.

Thank you sandman that's a great write up

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[jmerkel3d]

I am a huge Tanev fan and would be over the moon if it happened but not sure why everybody thinks Tanev will resign here in the summer. It's been mentioned multiple times by Ryan and Eric that they tried to sign him to an extension already and they weren't even able to get close. Doubt they'll somehow get closer in the summer.

That said, I think the flames will miss Tanev a LOT. Not just the blocked shots and him being a "warrior," but he makes so many little plays in his own zone and shows so much poise. I also think Noah will miss him a lot too, wherever he's playing. It's really too bad because that parking has been dynamite.



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[Shazam]

Good trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I think we can all agree that the worst thing about the trade is watching 23 games of Oesterle instead of Tanev. At least it should improve our pick position.

Gilbert is healthy again I think. I’d rather see him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jmerkel3d

I am a huge Tanev fan and would be over the moon if it happened but not sure why everybody thinks Tanev will resign here in the summer. It's been mentioned multiple times by Ryan and Eric that they tried to sign him to an extension already and they weren't even able to get close. Doubt they'll somehow get closer in the summer.

That said, I think the flames will miss Tanev a LOT. Not just the blocked shots and him being a "warrior," but he makes so many little plays in his own zone and shows so much poise. I also think Noah will miss him a lot too, wherever he's playing. It's really too bad because that parking has been dynamite.



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Because he might not get what he wants from other teams.