Main Camp Day 1 - Kylington will not take part of first day of training camp

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Did this just come out of the blue last off season?? Were there no signs of his struggles when he was making league min?? I get he is entitled to his privacy, I just find it strange how shortly after cashing in on an extension he disappears for nearly a year, re appears briefly and now disappears again. I just have to wonder how serious the issue would be if we wasn’t earning 2.5 million a year.

It is really unfair to the organization that they have to, or are expected to, honour their end of the contract while the player does not have to honour his end of the deal.

In your mind, what's the threshold income where mental illness becomes serious and not? One penny over and it's serious? Or is it the other way around? I honestly can't understand your argument about the seriousness of mental illness being tied to the amount of money someone makes.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I thought that since he was held off the ice after fitness assessment day that the now issue was of a physical nature (due to being away from the game for a year).

Is the sports psychologist a part of that assessment?

Just generally confused about the whole situation given that he sounded ready to return very recently.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Well let me ask you a question: what would've happened if his deal was up before this season? What will happen next summer if he still hasn't stepped on the ice?

If he was released to be a UFA, and there was no proper explanation from Conroy, would that be a-ok?

Lol what more do you want to know?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I thought that since he was held off the ice after fitness assessment day that the now issue was of a physical nature (due to being away from the game for a year).

Is the sports psychologist a part of that assessment?

Just generally confused about the whole situation given that he sounded ready to return very recently.

I took as being that his mental state didn't allow him to complete the tests. Depending on what exactly the illness is, even getting out of bed can be a monumental task. On top of that, there could be medication with physical side effects.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Just generally confused about the whole situation given that he sounded ready to return very recently.

He thought he was ready to return but he wasn't. What do you need spelled out for you?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Dude. Just stop.

From what I’ve been told about this, your take is soooooo off base and offensive.

A few times you have talked about being in the know about the details of his situation and that you can’t share. I’m just curious why you keep sharing this?

[Ford Prefect]

This thread should be locked.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Again with the point about entitlement. So, as paying fans, you are saying we're not entitled to updates on players? Ok, then.

I have to say, this line of entitlement is incredibly thoughtless.


You pay to watch a team play hockey. For your money you get to watch the team play hockey. Sometimes they throw free entertainment with little kids playing hockey in the intermissions.

You're not "entitled" to anything else. You didn't pay for access to their health information. You don't pay for salary information. You don't pay for jersey design. You don't pay for individual player decisions. You don't even really pay for performance. You simply pay to watch a team play hockey. You may also pay for cable to watch other people discuss these things.

You're entitled to enter the Saddledome and watch hockey. The rest goes into whether or not you enjoy it and want to repeat the experience, but you're not entitled to it. Your decision. You don't enjoy it, don't pay. Feel free to discuss anything you want as a fan, that's why we're here. But you're not "entitled" to anything you didn't pay for

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Did this just come out of the blue last off season?? Were there no signs of his struggles when he was making league min?? I get he is entitled to his privacy, I just find it strange how shortly after cashing in on an extension he disappears for nearly a year, re appears briefly and now disappears again. I just have to wonder how serious the issue would be if we wasn’t earning 2.5 million a year.

It is really unfair to the organization that they have to, or are expected to, honour their end of the contract while the player does not have to honour his end of the deal.

Holy ####... How do you know there were no signs? Maybe he was hanging on by a thread, was going to therapy, etc. Maybe something happened in his personal life that triggered the mental health issues... Are you suggesting he's pretending? Do you know how much money he's leaving on the table by not playing? His next contract - if he's even able to play - will likely be league minimum or pretty close. This in no way benefits him. The organization does not seem to be upset by this, they don't seem to think it is 'unfair' ... so why do you care?

[PuckSlap]

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/calgar...16325.amp.html


It helps clear the air a bit, without getting too personal. It most likely wasn't an injury that led to his mental health disorder.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

A few times you have talked about being in the know about the details of his situation and that you can’t share. I’m just curious why you keep sharing this?

To shut down speculation that’s way off base without giving up too many details that are no one else’s business. Or would you rather have people suggesting he’s just collecting a paycheque and slacking off?

I’m not “in the know” either. I am no insider myself but sometimes I hear things from a source that’s usually reliable about such things.

The bottom line is that, based on that which I have heard, Kylington’s description of what’s going on is sufficient and no one need question his motives, or the team’s.

EDIT: Just so I'm clear, what I was told could be wrong but I've no reason to think so. And I was told it about his absence last year. I was not given anything new this year.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

To shut down speculation that’s way off base without giving up too many details that are no one else’s business. Or would you rather have people suggesting he’s just collecting a paycheque and slacking off?

I’m not “in the know” either. I am no insider myself but sometimes I hear things from a source that’s usually reliable about such things.

The bottom line is that, based on that which I have heard, Kylington’s description of what’s going on is sufficient and no one need question his motives, or the team’s.

Of course I believe that he has every right to keep his health a private matter. I don’t need to know anything about his health to hold that opinion.

Just my opinion, but stating that you have special information does more to stoke speculation and draw attention to yourself than it does to shut down the discussion (if that is your goal). No matter though, I understand your point.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Of course I believe that he has every right to keep his health a private matter. I don’t need to know anything about his health to hold that opinion.

Just my opinion, but stating that you have special information does more to stoke speculation and draw attention to yourself than it does to shut down the discussion (if that is your goal). No matter though, I understand your point.

I am definitely not trying to draw attention to mayself. I've mentioned this twice, and only in response to unwarranted comments. I don't know how else I could have done it.

[Hack&Lube]

All Kylington has alluded to is that the mental illness issues stem from long-standing issues in his family. I recall this story when he was a prospect that basically his entire family fled as refugees from a war torn country. His mom was shot while escaping to Sweden. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...ect-kylington/

[N-E-B]

So, I actually know what’s going on with him, and to put it simply, it is a legitimate issue and it is 100% none of our business. I will not say what is happening as it is not my place to put it out there before Oliver or the Flames do.

What the Flames have announced publicly is more than enough. All we need to do is support him.

Oliver will address it when he is ready. End of discussion.

[dustygoon]

Thanks for posting the article, Hack.

While trying to be empathetic to what he is dealing with, it's hard for some of us to properly imagine being in their shoes when you don't really know what it is like.

We all face some downs, but this is obviously significant. It tells you how bad it is for him when he takes a year off from a sport that he loves and at which he is proficient. You would think getting on the ice could be a refuge for him, but he doesn't feel that.

And then to get back to preparations in the summer, finally feel ready, show up in town, but not be able to bring yourself to play.

Just knowing these facts tells you how difficult this must be for him.

Here's to Kylington getting better. There will be a big "LFG!!!" from fans if/when he comes back.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I also know what’s going on. If there’s anyone left on this site who still doesn’t know, feel free to PM me for details.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

So, I actually know what’s going on with him, and to put it simply, it is a legitimate issue and it is 100% none of our business. I will not say what is happening as it is not my place to put it out there before Oliver or the Flames do.

What the Flames have announced publicly is more than enough. All we need to do is support him.

Oliver will address it when he is ready. End of discussion.

I can certainly respect what he's going through and his privacy. It's completely his business and I think that most people on here are sincere when they wish him well hoping he heals. I'd love to support his plight when and if he is willing to shed some light on it.

On the other side of the coin, I just want to see his talents back on the Flames. I just wish we knew if there was a timeline - of course recognizing that with mental health, it's pretty difficult to nail down.

I guess I'd like to hear maybe a goal? Like, mid season or something. Anything.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I also know what’s going on. If there’s anyone left on this site who still doesn’t know, feel free to PM me for details.

Interesting. If you really knew like you say you know, you’d know the one thing about it that you’ve made perfectly clear by this post you don’t know, meaning unlike those of us who know, you don’t know what you say you know, and anyone who knows knows you don’t know.

[Mr.Coffee]

At the end of the day he can’t play. Knowing whatever it is doesn’t change that, so it just doesn’t matter. They want privacy, give them privacy.