[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly they should shop all of Hanifin, Toffoli, and Lindholm with 50% retention.

Opens up the market a ton for them and it's only one year of retention.

Those three players with retention should really return enough to trade into at least the top-7 and still have lots left over.

It would be the ultimate hero move to pull off a trade into the top-5 or top-3 in your first 2 months on the job.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Those three players with retention should really return enough to trade into at least the top-7 and still have lots left over.

It would be the ultimate hero move to pull off a trade into the top-5 or top-3 in your first 2 months on the job.

Honestly in this draft I might just want more ammo. Unless you're getting into the top 5 I don't think it's worth it.

Look at 2015 or 2003. The players that go 5-10 don't end up remarkably better than the players that go the rest of the first round.

If you end up with 10, 16, and 30 as an example I wouldn't be worried about moving up. Keep the 3 picks and you probably have a shot at 3 pretty good players if you draft well.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Those three players with retention should really return enough to trade into at least the top-7 and still have lots left over.

It would be the ultimate hero move to pull off a trade into the top-5 or top-3 in your first 2 months on the job.

I didn’t realize Conroy had the mandate for a full rebuild.

[activeStick]

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[Bonded]

Originally Posted by activeStick

https://twitter.com/user/status/1668644576566087680

Sweet. Keep Hanifin and trade Tanev or Zadarov

[868904]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Sweet. Keep Hanifin and trade Tanev or Zadarov

If there is one common ingredient to a Stanley Cup champion, it is big mobile defensemen.

I'd try to get Zadorov signed long term at maybe a lower cap hit. See if he'd go for security. Something like 5 years at $2 to $2.5 million AAV.

I think he's a great No. 5 defenseman and his game has improved a lot over the time he's been here. And he should improve with Huska around.

I think if you have Andersson, Weegar and Hanifin as your top 3, the bottom 3 can be more of the big and mobile defenders with some toughness. That's kind of how the Knights defense is built. Zadorov can be the Flames version of Brayden McNabb.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 868904

If there is one common ingredient to a Stanley Cup champion, it is big mobile defensemen.

I'd try to get Zadorov signed long term at maybe a lower cap hit. See if he'd go for security. Something like 5 years at $2 to $2.5 million AAV.

I think he's a great No. 5 defenseman and his game has improved a lot over the time he's been here. And he should improve with Huska around.

I think if you have Andersson, Weegar and Hanifin as your top 3, the bottom 3 can be more of the big and mobile defenders with some toughness. That's kind of how the Knights defense is built. Zadorov can be the Flames version of Brayden McNabb.

I think Zadarov is going to get himself a raise that prices him off the Flames. If he comes anywhere close to repeating last year’s production he is getting a Gudbranson contract.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly they should shop all of Hanifin, Toffoli, and Lindholm with 50% retention.

Opens up the market a ton for them and it's only one year of retention.

What part of not rebuilding do you not get? I don't get why people still go on about dumping all our big names for futures when ownership and management have made it clear they think this group is a playoff team and they have no interest in rebuilding. I guess it is something to talk about and I don't even disagree with you but I just don't see the point in musing about things that won't happen.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Sweet. Keep Hanifin and trade Tanev or Zadarov

Zadorov has said he wants to be a Flame for life. Why is Hanifin enjoying Calgary more important? I think Zadorov is more important to this team than Hanifin and won't get you the return Hanifin will.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Zadorov has said he wants to be a Flame for life. Why is Hanifin enjoying Calgary more important? I think Zadorov is more important to this team than Hanifin and won't get you the return Hanifin will.

I’d be open to keeping Zadorov longer term - he fills a role, he fills it well, and having at least one guaranteed Russian regular could help a second Russian to come play here.

There’s too much talent in that country for Zadorov to be the first notable Russian Flame since Oleg Saprykin (Andrei Zyuzin doesn’t count).

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What part of not rebuilding do you not get? I don't get why people still go on about dumping all our big names for futures when ownership and management have made it clear they think this group is a playoff team and they have no interest in rebuilding. I guess it is something to talk about and I don't even disagree with you but I just don't see the point in musing about things that won't happen.

Just because they trade one or two guys who aren’t part of the long term plan doesn’t mean they’re rebuilding.

It’s a deep draft, and they lack teenagers with upside. They’re not winning a cup this year no matter what, so may as well add some high value, low cost assets to the coffers.

Even if they just sold Hanifin and Toffoli - I think they almost have to walk away from this draft with at least two 1st round selections.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Just because they trade one or two guys who aren’t part of the long term plan doesn’t mean they’re rebuilding.

It’s a deep draft, and they lack teenagers with upside. They’re not winning a cup this year no matter what, so may as well add some high value, low cost assets to the coffers.

Even if they just sold Hanifin and Toffoli - I think they almost have to walk away from this draft with at least two 1st round selections.

If they sell Hanifin I think it will be for another top 6 forward. I find it hard to believe they will trade Toffoli unless they get a younger player back with term to replace him. Even then I doubt it as the mandate is to win this year and I believe I remember Conroy saying he was excited to see what Toffoli brings next year.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I didn’t realize Conroy had the mandate for a full rebuild.

It’s not a full rebuild - they have to want to sign here, for a number that works for the team.

Backlund, Toffoli and Tanev you can trade mid season - if none of Lindholm, Hanifin have committed pen to paper on an extension by the first time Nashville boos Gary, they’ve got to be traded.

They can’t get Gaudreau’d, and they can’t risk either getting injured and being unavailable at the deadline.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ryan Leslie has a great relationship with players and I believe him when he says he's shocked that Hanifin would be traded.

He is a low maintenance guy I can see him liking it here.

Doesn't seem like a guy who would lie or use the media.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Zadorov has said he wants to be a Flame for life. Why is Hanifin enjoying Calgary more important? I think Zadorov is more important to this team than Hanifin and won't get you the return Hanifin will.

I think Zadarov will simply be too expensive to keep on the Flames and Hanifin is a better dman. Hanifin also said he wanted to stay in Calgary during his exit interview. It comes down to cap. Having a #5 dman making 4 million isn’t super appealing. If you think he is a top 4 then I don’t agree but it isn’t crazy

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Sweet. Keep Hanifin and trade Tanev or Zadarov

NOOOOOO to Zadarov!!! in fact make him captain next year!

[CFO]

I think on D you trade tanev. Sure he is a warrior but I think flames need to move on.

D core tied up of hanafin, weegar, zadorov, Andersen, klyington looks good.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by CFO

I think on D you trade tanev. Sure he is a warrior but I think flames need to move on.

D core tied up of hanafin, weegar, zadorov, Andersen, klyington looks good.

I only keep Tanev because a) he would be cheaper on $’s and term to re-sign and b) Hanifin would give us a better return.

[GioforPM]

8 year contract for Hanifin takes him to 35. That’s not bad for a defenceman, especially if it’s structured right, and it’s still in the window even if they rebuilt from scratch. Skaters like him last a while.

[InternationalVillager]

Hanifin/Andersson/Kylington/Weegar

I think you have to keep these 4 guys together.

Stetcher and Zadorov can round out the D.

That leaves Tanev possibly expendable. I just dont know how you can trade Hanifin and his minutes away.