[PGT] Flames 0 - Wild 3

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

For 3 of the last 4 years he has been a 70-80 point guy. He will get 60 points this year, maybe 65 if he goes on a real heater. Significant drop off from his average, about a 20% reduction.

Check your math. He is on his 2nd best season in the last 4 yrs

In his career, Lindholm really only have 2 outstanding years. He is capable doing it again but not without a hot star line mate

If Lindholm is the best on the line, the line is not very good

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Sutter can take some blame how he has handled the situation off and on the ice but overall it comes down the Markstrom and Huberdeau.


If Markstrom has a career average year and Huby puts up 40 more points (either assisting or scoring = 40 more goals for the flames) none of these conversations are had.
Changing Sutter maybe gets Huberdeau going but at what cost? You're not getting a better coach in exchange.

Plenty of better coaches than sutter.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

People want to fire him because notwithstanding that he was been presented what everyone thought was a pretty stacked roster, he has coached his way to well below average results.

The GM, on the other had, presented the coach with what everyone felt was a stack roster.

Plus, firing the GM does not give the team generally any immediate results. And if Trev is fired, expect Sutter to take over, whether they hire a "puppet front man" like Conroy or not.

You want to really see a lost team, let the above play out.

See, this is the issue right here, all fans see are the names and the stats and they think, this is a stacked roster which just sets their expectations all out of whack. Team building isn’t a video game, there’s are a lot of nuances in this ridiculous game and Huberdeau was not a good fit with this group and system from day 1.

It was so obvious to me from the day they acquired him that it was an experiment destined to fail. Treliving assembled a team that’s built to “check for their chances.” Every coach from Gulutzan, to Peters, to Ward and now to Sutter has echoed this phrase and Huberdeau is not this type of player, he’s the exact opposite and I’m shocked management didn’t see that.

I know for myself personally, I’m really not that surprised with how this season has unfolded because this is exactly what I thought this team would be, a bubble playoff team and sometimes bubble playoff teams miss the playoffs. There will definitely have to be some big changes in the offseason because next season will likely unfold exactly like this season has. It’s been consistently the same types losses over and over and over and it’ll just likely extend itself into next season as well.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by butterfly

18G 25A 43P in the last 82 regular season games. $5.8M seems like a bit much. Looks like a short term deal was the right call.

Yes , Treliving obviously knew or suspected there is a problem but lack the courage to sell high

These little things add up

[Teroy]

At 10.5 million dollars Huberdeau should be the one carrying this team. It shouldn't be up to his wingers to make this happen. Besides, Kadri is not a fit. He's a puck hog. I'm not even sure that Lindholm would make Huberdeau much better. Huberdeau is supposed to be the super star. Do you honestly think any of the other multi-million dollar player in this league would take this long to get going. By the time they build a team around him, his best before date will have passed, if it hasn't already.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Plenty of better coaches than sutter.

Please name the available ones

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sutter has also bashed his players in the media and tells the whole world we haven't zero stars on the team and now we have a team with shattered confidence and he says the big guys aren't scoring. I mean what do you expect Darryl you said they suck so why would you expect them to score.

He is negative and brings negative energy to the team and fanbase. Again look at his history as a coach he doesn't coach good offensive teams and he also wears thin very quickly. He brings defensive structure and banks on being #1 in goals against to make the playoffs.

Hard work and grit and grind take you so far. We need a,coach who coaches the players he has and not force his philosophy on the team.

I don't think he builds relationship with the players either otherwise they wouldn't hate him so much. Look at the faces of the players when he was hired you could tell they looked upset. Even when the team is winning they look wound up and tight. Go back to the 2006 division winning team they won but they looked miserable and it came crashing down in game 7 on home ice and last night felt like that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Please name the available ones

I thought Peters was going to be a good coach for a while for us but it turned out he was a racist.

Coach Q is better but it turns out he's a terrible person as well.

This list isn't going very well.

[TheChief]

^^ would be helpful if you could list your candidates

[Teroy]

So they get paid big bucks to make them feel good. I thought it was for performance. Plus, I haven't heard anything that says they hate Sutter.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I thought Peters was going to be a good coach for a while for us but it turned out he was a racist.

Coach Q is better but it turns out he's a terrible person as well.

This list isn't going very well.

Who were the assistants under Quenneville?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Please name the available ones

What would Sutter do that would make things better that he is not doing now


Some times you have to change because you hit a dead end

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Teroy

So they get paid big bucks to make them feel good. I thought it was for performance. Plus, I haven't heard anything that says they hate Sutter.

Nobody is going to come out to say that now until he is gone

All you have to do is watch how they played the last 3 games when they really need the point

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TheChief

^^ would be helpful if you could list your candidates

I think Mitch Love should be given the reigns. Especially if we are going to graduate Wolf and Zary.

We need a coach to grow with the team. Maybe some research into why Bednar and Cooper workes out so well and look to have logevtiy.

These band aid solutions like Ward and Sutter will not work for the long term.

That's why it was unfortunate what happened with Peters.

We also need to figure out why after two of our most successful season the team panicked and changed styles pf play the following season because of a bad playoff. Is this something coming down from the GM? Owners? Why are we going from great offensive seasons to complete crap and misery.

Look at Tampa they kept the offensive numbers up just got a bit more grit with Coleman and Goodrow.

I don't know if they ask why enough.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Nobody is going to come out to say that now until he is gone

All you have to do is watch how they played the last 3 games when they really need the point

You're just making an assumption.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Teroy

You're just making an assumption.

Didn’t Regehr say the other night that Sutter had lost the room? Maybe he’s just assuming too or maybe he has some personal knowledge here plus connections. There is certainly a lot of smoke hinting at that. But I agree we won’t hear the details until he is no longer with the org.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Teroy

You're just making an assumption.

Yes more of an observation like everyone else here

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So who are these guys that are having great years outside of Toffoli and Backlund?

The defence is a mess. The forward lines are a mess. The goalies are a mess.

It's not just Huberdeau.

Darryl Sutter seems checked out.

I'd say Dube, Backlund, Coleman and even Mangiapane (play driving, equal on ice goal production) and Lewis up front.

I think Hanifin, Andersson, Tanev, Weegar and Zadorov on the blueline have all been good ... maybe not 100% consistent good, but good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I mean Matthew Tkachuk has pretty much said everything without saying a word that he hated Sutter.

I've had some information passed to me that a lot of players especially Lindholm dislike Sutter. I mean you don't need anyone to tell you that you just see it in the players faces and performance it's a toxic work environment he has created.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd say Dube, Backlund, Coleman and even Mangiapane (play driving, equal on ice goal production) and Lewis up front.

I think Hanifin, Andersson, Tanev, Weegar and Zadorov on the blueline have all been good ... maybe not 100% consistent good, but good.

Not sure about Weegar but yes to everyone else.