Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

You have a summary posted for your analysis of the liberals?

I can find the post, it was during the last election; but the search is only showing posts from 2022 .

Basically there were a ton of bills that they've put forth helping against tax fraud, general law and order, improving trade, removing tax loop holes, investing in infrastructure, quantum and other tech investments, and others that I can't remember off the top of my head.

Then you have the big ones like weed, assisted suicide, CPP improvements, day care (which is still a work in progress)

Overall the COVID response I think is positive, ya the money printing sucks now, but I personally believe we are better off then the alternative. Actually if we didn't print at a rate similar to the US that could have jacked up the value of our currency which would have been devastating to trade with the US.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Nancy

It would almost certainly be the majority of UCP supporters considering, nationally, 46% of Conservatives support (and only 30% oppose) the convoy and other surveys have shown that, generally, support is highest in Alberta, e.g. 40% of all Albertans supported the convoy.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...otest-00031535

Wow, we are so ####ed aren't we?

I am maintaining hope at this point but yeah all signs are pointing to the ####ter this morning. $4 billion tidal wave of patronage spending incoming as well.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

Overall the COVID response I think is positive, ya the money printing sucks now, but I personally believe we are better off then the alternative. Actually if we didn't print at a rate similar to the US that could have jacked up the value of our currency which would have been devastating to trade with the US.

Great point. Canada doesn't just follow the US monetary policy because the US is smarter or makes better decisions. We do it largely to stay somewhat lockstep with our largest trading partner to avoid the most trade upset possible.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Wow, we are so ####ed aren't we?

I am maintaining hope at this point but yeah all signs are pointing to the ####ter this morning. $4 billion tidal wave of patronage spending incoming as well.

I don't see numbers only percentages, its really easy to skew a poll when its a low count and caters to a certain group. This reminds me of Diablo Immortal reported as the worst rated game in Blizzard history with a metacritic of 0.4/10. That's terrible it must be universally hated? Well the 0.4 was pulled from 5800 ratings out of 10million installs. Just like anything these days its not hard to get a small group to appear to be bigger than they are with polls such as this, getting topics trending on twitter, etc Its the ultimate in media warfare but instead of driving up supporters numbers at a rate they would like I feel its radicalizing the supporters they do have and making them feel everyone is with them.

Its a scary time.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by woob

Follow-up to Dion's post:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1541534500034777088

Just think about how good this will be for business. Especially for IT and crypto when we have the slowest internet in the country!

[BlackArcher101]

This province.... I swear... Nothing matters anymore, no consequences for a party who is trying their best to hurt everyone, but no.... lets keep voting for them even in the state the party is currently in.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...rown-1.6503305

The poll by Trend Research, under the direction of Janet Brown Opinion Research, surveyed 900 Albertans between June 13 and 21. It found slightly more than half of Albertans surveyed said they would be very likely (26 per cent) or somewhat likely (26 per cent) to consider voting for the UCP in the next provincial election.

"Now, of course, they don't know who the leader is going to be. But that's very good news for the UCP because they've been doing badly in polls lately," said pollster Janet Brown. "But now, with 52 per cent of voters willing to consider the UCP, it seems they have a new lease on life.

"A new leader could put them in the driver's seat in terms of public opinion."

Baffling.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

This province.... I swear... Nothing matters anymore, no consequences for a party who is trying their best to hurt everyone, but no.... lets keep voting for them even in the state the party is currently in.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...rown-1.6503305



Baffling.

Is it that surprising? I think it has a lot to do with who the leader is honestly.

26% for sure voting UCP makes sense. If another deplorable gets in then the lesser of two evils to UCP supporters might be Notley.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Knut

Is it that surprising? I think it has a lot to do with who the leader is honestly.

It isn't really unfortunately. I know tons of people who don't like what the UCP have done, but still their motto is Anyone But NDP. The only reason they can give is that the NDP want to destroy the province. I don't think it's about Notley.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

It isn't really unfortunately. I know tons of people who don't like what the UCP have done, but still their motto is Anyone But NDP. The only reason they can give is that the NDP want to destroy the province. I don't think it's about Notley.

The NDP might destroy the province!
The UCP are currently destroying the province but they're doing it while being BLUE and pwning the libs!

[Knut]

I dont know. In my circles many are holding out hope that someone reasonable wins the UCP nomination. I have people talking about voting Notley if, for example, Jean or Smith win the nomination or they may just stay home and not vote for anyone.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Knut

I dont know. In my circles many are holding out hope that someone reasonable wins the UCP nomination.

How would that even be possible, when half of the UCP party thinks Kenny was too left wing? Someone reasonable would result in even more divisive internal fighting and no proper leadership for this province.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Knut

I dont know. In my circles many are holding out hope that someone reasonable wins the UCP nomination. I have people talking about voting Notley if, for example, Jean or Smith win the nomination or they may just stay home and not vote for anyone.

Well I'm not going to 'not vote' but it'd take a miracle for me to vote UCP.

And I'm not talking about anything middling either like a statue that cries blood or a piece of toast that looks like it has Kenney's face on it. I am talking mid to high level actual miracle.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Torture

The NDP might destroy the province!
The UCP are currently destroying the province but they're doing it while being BLUE and pwning the libs!

The problem with this sentence is that for a lot of people in the province today, things are as good now as they've ever been for the past ~7 years. I realise that the UCP didn't actually put the oil in the ground, but let's not kid ourselves, people looking at a solid provincial economy aren't likely coming around to the "destruction of the province" view.

And if you're on the fence with that, wait until you see how much gets paid in royalties to the provincial government. It's not just good in comparison to where we were a few years ago, it's an enormous amount of money.

Originally Posted by Locke

Well I'm not going to 'not vote' but it'd take a miracle for me to vote UCP.

And I'm not talking about anything middling either like a statue that cries blood or a piece of toast that looks like it has Kenney's face on it. I am talking mid to high level actual miracle.

This is where I am, but I feel similarly about the NDP. I'll be voting for someone, but no idea who that will be.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

It isn't really unfortunately. I know tons of people who don't like what the UCP have done, but still their motto is Anyone But NDP. The only reason they can give is that the NDP want to destroy the province. I don't think it's about Notley.

At work (talking to co-workers and clients) this is almost 100% the feeling.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Slava

The problem with this sentence is that for a lot of people in the province today, things are as good now as they've ever been for the past ~7 years.

The problem, then, is with people in the province not paying attention, apparently.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

The problem, then, is with people in the province not paying attention, apparently.

No, it's because in case you missed it, this province had a brutal 7 years. Things are coming around now and for the first time in the better part of a decade a lot of people can work without fearing the axe coming down. Again, I realise that a lot of that was out of our control, but the truth is when people are feeling good about their lives and livelihood, they're not likely to toss out a government and completely rock the boat.

[Muta]

I miss Greg Clark and the early days of the Alberta Party, tbh. Too bad he isn’t still in charge.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Slava

Again, I realise that a lot of that was out of our control, but the truth is when people are feeling good about their lives and livelihood, they're not likely to toss out a government and completely rock the boat.

Isn't your statement above kind of a different way of saying the below, as said by TorqueDog?

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

The problem, then, is with people in the province not paying attention, apparently.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well I'm not going to 'not vote' but it'd take a miracle for me to vote UCP.

And I'm not talking about anything middling either like a statue that cries blood or a piece of toast that looks like it has Kenney's face on it. I am talking mid to high level actual miracle.

Here's another problem; because of a combination of draconian program curtailments and massively unforeseen resource revenue, we have $4 billion surplus just from last year (this year will be like ####ing 10 at least.)

We are going to see an ENORMOUS wave of patronage spending in the next year. Trending towards never before seen levels. There are a decent amount of people who will believe miracles have occured, when really all that occurred is that the UCP successfully moved funds out of socialist programs underpinning societal health towards political patronage while destroying the underlying programs permanently.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Here's another problem; because of a combination of draconian program curtailments and massively unforeseen resource revenue, we have $4 billion surplus just from last year (this year will be like ####ing 10 at least.)

We are going to see an ENORMOUS wave of patronage spending in the next year. Trending towards never before seen levels. There are a decent amount of people who will believe miracles have occured, when really all that occurred is that the UCP successfully moved funds out of socialist programs underpinning societal health towards political patronage while destroying the underlying programs permanently.

Well, and I think I mentioned this eons ago, but and NDP Government would be ideal when the Province is flush with cash (like now) rather than an incompetent Conservative Government.