[PGT] Oilers 8 Flames 3 everything is fine

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Southside

Lucic was a desperation move. The type you make when you're at the end of your rope.

Not even close.

It was a move designed to exchange two otherwise immovable pieces but one that saved a bit of cap for Calgary and a lot of money.


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[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Just about sums up the double standards going on in the media as it pertains to the Flames.

If a Flame pulls a yakupov it's probably discussed until the draft.

This is what the coaches should milk it, telling their players that it's us against the world thing. Just FTW!!!

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I find it a bit strange reading people complaining about Ward. This team has consistently exhibited these no shows under multiple coaches. Do people really think Ward put a game plan on the blackboard and it strategically fell apart twice in the *first* minute? Not a chance. This is on the players and has been through multiple coaches now.

Biggest problem for me is that the young core of this team (outside of tkachuk) have just not managed to turn into *veteran* top line players. And by that, I mean the way that good players build on their years of experience and become smart and difficult to play against. Compare Monahan to Couturier or Barkov... 1 of those 3 has simply not developed the intelligence and savvy that 7 years in the league should bring.

The book seems to be out on Johnny: keep him to the perimeter and he'll wear himself out or commit to a low percentage shot from the goal line. He's not interested in working to get into the middle, and despite the years he and Mony have not figured out how to maintain possession in the zone (see kopitar / carter, perry / getzlaf, etc...).

I appreciate Gio as an on-ice player but as the undisputed top veteran on the team, the rest of the players don't play like a team that finds strength through the play of their captain.

Most of the second wave that was supposed to buttress mony and johnny has largely not panned out (Bennett, Jankowski) or isn't looking all that great (Dube, Kylington). This leaves Tkachuk as the stand-out with Andersson and Mangiapane looking solid but not outstanding.

Hard to see what Tre can do here. If I was another GM in this league, I'd be very leery of paying up to get my hands on a Monahan or a Gaudreau...

[blender]

When you compare Monahan to Couturier and Barkov I can't help but think that neither of them has won anything either. Good players, yes, but both on middling teams that are in the playoff picture but not contenders. What's the difference?

Not saying I'd rather have Monahan, but your argument is that those guys have somehow learned to be better pros, but where is the evidence?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It was a move designed to exchange two otherwise immovable pieces but one that saved a bit of cap for Calgary and a lot of money.

And the Flames lost this deal, huge. Lucic has been an unmitigated disaster for this team, providing nothing of value. Can you imagine if that cap hit was used for a player that did his job, let lone dragging hit linemates down? In a game where knuckle dragger would have provided some value, Lucic did nothing to earn his keep. Terrible player, terrible deal, and terrible outcome. Treliving should be on notice just for this deal.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Rittich can't toss his stick in the air without a big controversy but the entire Canes team can do a song and dance after beating the Canucks in a shootout

There’s a difference in showing up your opponent to their face and waiting till they leave the ice and celebrating for your fans.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Weitz

There’s a difference in showing up your opponent to their face and waiting till they leave the ice and celebrating for your fans.

Tell us some more, Oilers fan.

[JurassicTunga12]

I want to see this team start building an identity in their play. We don't have one right now. Not a fast team, not a big/physical team etc... I think we have the defensemen to play an up tempo, fast skating, puck moving/puck control skill type of game. I think we need to target forwards now to support this. I'd look at guys like Athanasiou from DET for example to start. Also hire Gallant to enforce this style more. Less players like Jankowski who are big, but charmin soft, and who have a low motor, no speed, and no real play driving capabilities. We're still looking for that #1 center we need that can control the play. For now, we can still build other areas of our line up towards playing that fast, skill game.

Gaudreau, Monahan(For the right price, for another center)
Backlund, Jankowski, Lucic(easier said), Rieder,
Can all be replaced off the top of my head.

Turning Gaudreau into Taylor Hall(If he would sign here) + other assets from Gaudreau trade is a decent start as well imo. Hall skates well, drives the play and isn't tiny.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Weitz

There’s a difference in showing up your opponent to their face and waiting till they leave the ice and celebrating for your fans.

You mean like that Gagner celebration after his goal to make it 7-3 late in the game last night?!?

[2Stonedbirds]

The goal where when he wired one past Rittich, he then spread his arms out, puffed his chest up and celebrated like... Rittich?
Yeah, no idea why Gagner does that there.

[Machiavelli]

Why are people so focused on celebrations? It literally doesn't matter one bit. I don't care how anyone celebrates

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

The goal where when he wired one past Rittich, he then spread his arms out, puffed his chest up and celebrated like... Rittich?
Yeah, no idea why Gagner does that there.

That's my point - It's sports and emotions are running high. Nobody should have a problem with Rittich's celebration and I don't have a problem with Gagner sticking it right back to him last night.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Weitz

There’s a difference in showing up your opponent to their face and waiting till they leave the ice and celebrating for your fans.

It’s such a minor thing
When did Oiler fans become so fragile?’
The whining is constant

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Weitz

There’s a difference in showing up your opponent to their face and waiting till they leave the ice and celebrating for your fans.

So you must hate the Connor's over exaggerated goal celebrations. You must have really hated Haas celebrating like he scored the Stanley Cup winning goal on that penalty shot.

[bubbsy]

To the Victor go the spoils.

[AC]

Originally Posted by browna

I just don't think Rittich is mentally strong enough either. Ward should've had Talbot in from the start. All this talk about all star game and tshirts about the stick flip seemed to get to his head. He was dreadful to start and should've been pulled in the first minute because he was done confidence wise after the 2nd goal. But you cant pull a goalie a minute in....so he should've never started.

Not sure I get this. I was only able to watch the highlights these last 3 games, and last night's 2nd period... But it seemed like Talbot lost us the game vs STL based on the goals he gave up and the general consensus in the PGT. Then Rittich won in Edmonton the following night on a strong game overall, minus the tying goal.

After those 2 games and a couple days off against the same opponent, I don't think it would have made sense to start Talbot. Of course Rittich did have a bad game and should have been pulled ASAP, but starting Talbot doesn't seem like the obvious choice to me at all.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes, there Is. Treliving hinted at a handshake agreement with Lucic for the expansion draft when the trade occurred.

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tell us more. that's an epic get out of jail free card.

[stang]

Originally Posted by BigRed

tell us more. that's an epic get out of jail free card.

Yeah I never heard that or anything like that, but I didn’t want to press too much. But would also want to hear that.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It’s such a minor thing
When did Oiler fans become so fragile?’
The whining is constant

Do Oiler fans care that much? I haven’t seen it other than hey stick it to them. The players care just like baseball players care after a bat flip. Media runs with it because it generates clicks so why wouldn’t they?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by BigRed

tell us more. that's an epic get out of jail free card.

All he said was he didn’t consider it a problem. Takes a considerable jump to take that as: “has a handshake deal with him”.