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Old 04-22-2016, 09:25 PM   #341
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Are we getting desensitized?

A Canadian man gets beheaded by a Islamist militant group that's been linked to al Qaeda and ISIS and not a peep.

I won't even post a link because nobody seems to care This is truly becoming a sad f*#ki*g world.
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I know it's off topic but holy f is the rt transparent. Did a search for the Panama Papers, and not a single mention of Russians being blamed. About two dozen articles on Cameron though.
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Old 04-26-2016, 07:27 AM   #344
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Are we getting desensitized?

A Canadian man gets beheaded by a Islamist militant group that's been linked to al Qaeda and ISIS and not a peep.

I won't even post a link because nobody seems to care This is truly becoming a sad f*#ki*g world.
A lot of people who should care won't say a peep because, you know, it's racist to draw attention to a non-white person doing awful things to a white person. And, of course, we've got it coming anyway because the West is awful. Welcome to the bizarro world of 2016, when liberalism has been curb-stomped by identity politics.
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A lot of people who should care won't say a peep because, you know, it's racist to draw attention to a non-white person doing awful things to a white person. And, of course, we've got it coming anyway because the West is awful. Welcome to the bizarro world of 2016, when liberalism has been curb-stomped by identity politics.
I'm pretty sure our culturally sensitive in bed with Islamists PM publicly condemned this yesterday.

But sure, keep banging that drum, white men are so oppressed.
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He didn't say white men were oppressed. He said that there is a bizarre tendency for people not to notice horrifying atrocities when committed by people with different ethnic backgrounds out of some absurd concern about cultural sensitivity.

That being said, that's not the only reason; it's also the "this happened across the world so I don't care" effect as well as the "this is horrible so I don't really want to think about it" effect. Also, what are people supposed to say aside from "this is awful"? There's not really much else to add to that. If this was a novel occurrence, maybe, but it's not the first time something like this has happened nor will it be the last.

Absolutely Trudeau condemned it - it's the death of a Canadian citizen, of course he did, that doesn't really have anything to do with anything.
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I'm pretty sure our culturally sensitive in bed with Islamists PM publicly condemned this yesterday.

But sure, keep banging that drum, white men are so oppressed.
I know this is tremendously difficult for some people to understand, but the liberal tradition means not taking gender, race, affluence, etc. into account when we extend concern for people, or weigh their arguments. Bigots on the right believe the some types of people are inherently better than others. On the identity politics left, the dogma of groups of people being victims/heroes or oppressors/villains is simply the mirror-image of that simplistic nonsense. They're both credos for people who are too dumb, insecure, or partisan to engage with the complexity of reality.
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Old 04-26-2016, 08:26 AM   #348
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Looks like the Liberals are maintaining Bill C-51 in its conservative form with no amendments or discussion.
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Old 04-26-2016, 08:34 AM   #349
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Two things determine how much people care about a gruesome murder/massacre.

1. Location: You'll get more reaction if it occurs in the Western World (US/Canada/Europe).

2. Number of casualties: More people care about a mass death than a lone one.

This is neither of those two so you won't get much of a reaction. France and Belgium on the other hand were both of those put together.

It shouldn't be this way, but sadly it is.

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So a man is walking through a war zone and he comes by a bomb crater and sees a young girl dying dead in it, he falls to his knees and cries, he screams at the gods in heaven "Oh why god so you allow such horrible things to happen, I don't think I can go on. But eventually still sobbing he gets up and keeps walking and comes up to another bomb crater with two little girls lying in it dead. He starts crying and has tears roll down his cheeks he cries "Oh what a horrible thing to see"

Then he moves on and comes across another bomb crater with three dead girls in it. He snuffles and says "Its just sad"

Then moves on, he comes up to a forth crater and see's a dozen bodies, he shrugs his shoulders and says "Better them then me, what are you going to do?"
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From what I read, the person was an ex-pat. It's not like a Canadian was on holidays and then kidnapped. This person was Canadian born, but for all intents and purposes was now a permanent resident of the Philippines.

Also, I don't see why we should care more about an ex-pat Canadian than the hundreds of Filipinos that are killed by this group every year and don't get reported on Calgarypuck.

Like Iggy City said, location is a big factor. Just look at the recent Paris attacks. Similar attacks occurred in Turkey just before that and there was nary a peep in the Western media.
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I didn't know where to put this, but its from a friend of a family member called an honest message to ISIS.

I don't think he understands prohibited weapons, but this is well worth the watch.

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Number of casualties: More people care about a mass death than a lone one.
Interestingly, in general, the exact OPPOSITE is true. A number of studies have been done to verify this; we by and large care more about one death than a hundred, even if the hundred includes the one person we originally cared more about.

Paul Slovic has done a bunch of work on this (eg http://globaljustice.uoregon.edu/fil...ld-1wda5u6.pdf or http://www.apa.org/science/about/psa...11/slovic.aspx), and it's been more recently popularized by Paul Bloom's crusade against empathy, which is the source of this disconnect.
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I know this is tremendously difficult for some people to understand, but the liberal tradition means not taking gender, race, affluence, etc. into account when we extend concern for people, or weigh their arguments. Bigots on the right believe the some types of people are inherently better than others. On the identity politics left, the dogma of groups of people being victims/heroes or oppressors/villains is simply the mirror-image of that simplistic nonsense. They're both credos for people who are too dumb, insecure, or partisan to engage with the complexity of reality.
You've become a caricature. I'm pretty sure the attacks in Paris and Brussels were widely attributed to Islamic extremists by both the left and the right. While you can argue that those on the left feel uncomfortable blaming Islam itself for the attacks, to say they're ignoring the attacks being committed against whites by an ethnic minority is straight up false white victimhood.
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Actually, there was, as there always is, an immediate reaction from a number of people on the left to reflexively talk about French foreign policy as the true culprit here, or a lack of integration, or racist tendencies in Europe as having provoked the attacks. This sort of reaction was obviously far more obvious after the Charlie Hebdo murders, where the magazine was blamed for being provocative or racist.

But I really think you're getting the message wrong there. The issue isn't that white people are victims. The primary victims of islamist terrorism are not white people. They're women and other disadvantaged groups in areas dominated by islamism who are oppressed by the political ideology there. The issue of ethnicity that comes up isn't "no one cares about whites anymore", it's "people will make excuses for or otherwise fail to condemn behaviour by people where, if that behaviour were committed by a white person, there would be widespread unadulterated outrage". It's the double standard that's his point, not some notion of white persecution.
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A lot of people who should care won't say a peep because, you know, it's racist to draw attention to a non-white person doing awful things to a white person. And, of course, we've got it coming anyway because the West is awful. Welcome to the bizarro world of 2016, when liberalism has been curb-stomped by identity politics.
Do you live on a college campus? Because this bizarro world you describe doesn't match the actual one.
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I think the issue is more how much you pay attention to social media. If the answer is "a fair amount", you tend to get way more depressed about the state of things on the left. I just shut down twitter for a week, I recommend it... though it's hard to do during the playoffs.
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I think the issue is more how much you pay attention to social media. If the answer is "a fair amount", you tend to get way more depressed about the state of things on the left. I just shut down twitter for a week, I recommend it... though it's hard to do during the playoffs.
You guys are weird. There is an equal amount of crazy vitriol coming from the right on social media, it's just more grammatically horrifying.

Eg. any "Alberta Proud" or "Albertans Against Syrian Refugees" or similar page where people get to put their xenophobia on public display.
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You guys are weird. There is an equal amount of crazy vitriol coming from the right on social media, it's just more grammatically horrifying.

Eg. any "Alberta Proud" or "Albertans Against Syrian Refugees" or similar page where people get to put their xenophobia on public display.
Oh that's absolutely true (though I have no idea what "Albertans Against Syrian Refugees" is; it's possible to have legitimate concerns on that issue without being xenophobic but that's a huge de-rail).

I don't want to give the impression that I think the right wing has its head on straight (and without speaking for Cliff, don't think he does either). That bus left town a long time ago, then took a wrong turn and drove off a cliff. The concern is that we'd like to see the left not drive into the ditch on the other side of the road.
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The issue isn't that white people are victims. The primary victims of islamist terrorism are not white people. They're women and other disadvantaged groups in areas dominated by islamism who are oppressed by the political ideology there. The issue of ethnicity that comes up isn't "no one cares about whites anymore", it's "people will make excuses for or otherwise fail to condemn behaviour by people where, if that behaviour were committed by a white person, there would be widespread unadulterated outrage". It's the double standard that's his point, not some notion of white persecution.
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I think the issue is more how much you pay attention to social media. If the answer is "a fair amount", you tend to get way more depressed about the state of things on the left. I just shut down twitter for a week, I recommend it... though it's hard to do during the playoffs.
It's not just twitter (which I don't follow). Mainstream media outlets like the CBC, Globe & Mail, and the Guardian all give prominent platforms to reflexively anti-Western ideologues of the identity-politics left. Though I am beginning to suspect that the purpose of those columnists is to troll the audience, and generate page hits and comments.

Then there are the regions of the web associated with nerd stuff (gaming, fantasy fiction, etc), which have become a toxic battleground of identity politics, with many sites becoming homogeneous echo-chambers representing equally obnoxious factions.
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