Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

[Senator Clay Davis]

Crazy image of the moment they went into the market

[Ducay]

Breaching charges; one hell of a drug!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP
#BREAKING Five dead, including gunman, in Paris supermarket hostage drama: security source

[Otto-matic]

CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk3m3 minutes agoSome hostages died in the #Paris grocery siege, French media are reporting.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I was merely responding to the argument that the magazine was targeting Islam. It does not appear that is the case. The magazine targets everybody.

I would, however, argue that you don't understand what satire is given your comment and the tweet you quoted. A lot of people are of the opinion of "I am offended by it, therefore it can't be satire". That is not valid. Nor is it true that the purpose of satire is "about challenging power". Satire is the ridicule of human vice and folly. And religion is one of man's greatest follies. Does Charlie Hebdo often come off as being offensive? Yes, that seems to be the case. Does that mean it isn't satire? Nope. Does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to publish? Nope. The solution to speech you dislike is more speech.

Again, what about those images are satirical? If it is satire, then it's poor satire. That really has nothing to do with me being offended, as I really couldn't care less about offensive images of any religion. That said, lampooning an already oppressed and discriminated group of people isn't exactly a noble or admirable act. Charlie Hebdo aren't edgy trailblazers, they're vulgar opportunists.

[scottish_flame]

Feed thier bodies to the pigs

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

Feed thier bodies to the pigs

You never cease to amaze.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You never cease to amaze.

Thank you

[Table 5]

The NYTimes did a short doc on the staff of Charlie Hebdo a few years ago, as they were working on a cover featuring Muhammad. Three of the people in this video were killed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/op...an-region&_r=0

[terminator]

They launched the raid when they found out that Coulibaly was praying. The GIGN had hacked the security system and monitored the interior.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They do target everyone, but they make a special point about Arabs and Muslims.

Because I like using extreme examples to make a point... It's like the Ku Klux Klan. They used to target Jews, Catholics, natives, and others, but they made a special point of being the most vicious against Africa Americans. On the same subject, the KKK and other white supremacist groups used satirical images to ridicule black people in the past. Being satire shouldn't be a free pass.

This is not directed to you as I understand your point is simply about protecting freedom of speech and not about morally accepting what is actually being said (you even said that people should use their freedom of speech to counter it); but I do find it troubling that for many Charlie Hebdo's hate messages seem beyond criticism because they are protected by freedom of speech.

Certainly a lot of people confuse freedom of speech as meaning freedom of criticism. I don't, which is why I haven't criticized your criticism. It is fair game, but as always, timing and context matters. The conversation you (and a few others around the net) are trying to start will be drowned out by the events of this week and the sympathy generated by the needless massacre of 12 people. So while that may create a pocket of something like immunity from criticism, it will not last long.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

The vengeful side of me is hoping they were taken out by the police as opposed to taking their own lives somehow.

That is pretty much what they wanted anyway. Dying as "martyrs".

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They do target everyone, but they make a special point about Arabs and Muslims.

Because I like using extreme examples to make a point... It's like the Ku Klux Klan. They used to target Jews, Catholics, natives, and others, but they made a special point of being the most vicious against Africa Americans. On the same subject, the KKK and other white supremacist groups used satirical images to ridicule black people in the past. Being satire shouldn't be a free pass.

This is not directed to you as I understand your point is simply about protecting freedom of speech and not about morally accepting what is actually being said (you even said that people should use their freedom of speech to counter it); but I do find it troubling that for many Charlie Hebdo's hate messages seem beyond criticism because they are protected by freedom of speech.

To be fair various people have also made a special point of targeting the journalists in the name of Islam. You can sat they spent x amount of effort dealing with Islam vs other religions. However the simple reason for that was that they were told to stop portraying Islamic figures under threat of violence. The motivations did not appear to be islamophobia.

The way to deal with idiots like Charlie Hebdo is to just ignore them. Publications like that thrive on press and attention.

[chemgear]

[chemgear]

http://live.reuters.com/Event/World_News

Two brothers suspected of attacking the offices of French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo were killed when police stormed their hideout on Friday while their hostage was freed, a police official said.

However, a police source said at least four other hostages had been killed at a separate siege at a kosher supermarket in eastern Paris.

BREAKING: Holland says killing of four people in east Paris hostage taking at kosher supermarket was anti-Semitic act.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Again, what about those images are satirical? If it is satire, then it's poor satire. That really has nothing to do with me being offended, as I really couldn't care less about offensive images of any religion. That said, lampooning an already oppressed and discriminated group of people isn't exactly a noble or admirable act. Charlie Hebdo aren't edgy trailblazers, they're vulgar opportunists.

O come on. The cartoons depict Fundamentalist radicals #######ization of Islam. They are not taking shots at all of Islam. They clearly portray Terrorist groups that try to justify their actions in the name of Islam.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They do target everyone, but they make a special point about Arabs and Muslims.

Because I like using extreme examples to make a point... It's like the Ku Klux Klan. They used to target Jews, Catholics, natives, and others, but they made a special point of being the most vicious against Africa Americans. On the same subject, the KKK and other white supremacist groups used satirical images to ridicule black people in the past. Being satire shouldn't be a free pass.

This is not directed to you as I understand your point is simply about protecting freedom of speech and not about morally accepting what is actually being said (you even said that people should use their freedom of speech to counter it); but I do find it troubling that for many Charlie Hebdo's hate messages seem beyond criticism because they are protected by freedom of speech.

So you "like using extreme examples to make a point" Well that's what the political satire in Charlie Hebdo is all about, except your not being funny at all. I think you really proved a point against yourself. In that context, I agree.

[shermanator]

Sounds like hacktivists Anonymous are now threatening Al-Qaeda and ISIS

The figure says that 'hacktivists' from around the world will track all of jihadist activities online and close down their accounts on Twitter, YouTube and Facebook.

"You will not impose your sharia law in our democracies, we will not let your stupidity kill our liberties and our freedom of expression. We have warned you; expect your destruction."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technol...es-war-4949878

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

So you "like using extreme examples to make a point" Well that's what the political satire in Charlie Hebdo is all about, except your not being funny at all. I think you really proved a point against yourself. In that context, I agree.

Hyperbole isn't supposed to be funny.

[fulham]

People Criticizing the Magazine on here are insane.


Honest Question for the Muslim CP'ers

If your a Muslim in Canada is it not offensive to you, that your Government(CBC), and other fellow Canadians in the Media don't trust you? If they trusted that the Muslim Canadians in Canada wouldn't kill other Canadians over a picture, wouldn't they Show the Magazine Cover?