[PGT] Flames embarrassed at home again

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

It was Wideman.

I think Wideman and Brodie are great but what a chickencrap copout by them and the other forwards. If i was Macdonald i would be pissed off.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The salary cap killed that team.

All those players needed new contracts once the CBA negotiations killed a season, he had no chance to afford all of them, and they all became RFA/UFA with him not having the opportunity to sign them in season.

It was a $39 million dollar cap and Bulin, Richards, St.Louis, Lecavilier and Boyle were all looking for $5-7 million dollars.

He really didn't have a choice but to let some of them walk since he couldn't spend $30+ million dollars on 5 players.

The fate that Feaster ran into in Tampa was a similar fate to what Dale Tallon/Stan Bowman ran into Chicago but with a $39 million dollar cap instead of a $65 Million dollar cap.

Didn't Darryl have the same challenge with Iginla, Regehr, Kiprusoff, Phaneuf, Langkow, Huselius all becoming UFA a year later?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

You want big skill? You need to draft them.

Yep. Sutter tried to get by with big, gritty plugs. Feaster brought in skilled softies. You want both those qualities in one player? Well, nobody is handing them out - you have to draft them.

This is what a team built of free agents and cast-offs looks like.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Armchair Quarterback

Funny to see the "blow it up" calls again...The way we are going we don't even have to blow it up, we're right on track to finish low and draft high. Wake up sports fans: the rebuild is happening before your eyes but without the fanfare of the Oilers rebuild. What we need now is patience, intelligence, and long-term vision, not more knee-jerk patchwork deals that will hopefully squeak us into a playoff spot.

We need a bunch more picks if we want to catch up with and then surpass our peers who are also drafting one prospect in each round.

[C-COOP]

It used to be everyone complained there was not enough skill - so they bring in some skill guys. Now everyone complains they are too soft.

Flames turn it around, maybe win 3 in a row and they are right back in this.

Regardless of what anyone says on here the 2013 Flames are better and younger than the 2012 Flames.

Let's see how this turns out when Sven, Backlund and Kipper return.

[moon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The salary cap killed that team.

All those players needed new contracts once the CBA negotiations killed a season, he had no chance to afford all of them, and they all became RFA/UFA with him not having the opportunity to sign them in season.

It was a $39 million dollar cap and Bulin, Richards, St.Louis, Lecavilier and Boyle were all looking for $5-7 million dollars.

Terrible drafting to bring in young guys to work with the big guns killed that team.

Sure the salary cap didn't help but it wasn't like TB was the only team dealing with the cap they just did an awful job of dealing with it and making decisions on what to do with their big guys while bringing in nobody of value to help out.

[moon]

I am sure it has been mentioned already but it was embarrassing to see how the Kings adapted their game because the didn't care at all about defensive zone face-offs.

Bernier covered up many pucks that he normally would have played because he knew they could just come in and win the face-off in their own zone, at the end of the game the Kings just iced the puck with no concern because they knew they could just win the face-off. Halfway through the game Stoll would just tell the defenseman where he would win it because he knew it would be so easy and winning wasn't a question.

[Inferno099]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Glencross specifically looks like a guy who's just going for a skate most nights.

Sometimes reminds me of my 5yr old son in Timbits - where he prefers to skate around the rink & not get close to the puck, but he's smiling all the time & having fun looking at the parents in the stands.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Fair enough, I stand corrected on the Feaster point.

Other then the Sedins Burke didn't have an impact on that roster: Was there anyone else held over from his era? Salo?

So I guess Burke and Feaster are fairly similar the difference is that Feaster got Tampa Stamkos and Burke traded Seguin... And Feaster isn't an arrogant buffoon.

(Lowe feud, stating he would never trade for anyone hamstringing the GM by requesting a trade (Heatley) only a couple years after doing that exact thing to get Pronger, his feud with Don Cherry, <removed>)

Under Burke the Canucks drafted the Sedins in 99, Bieksa in 2001, and Kesler in 2003. In 2004 shortly after his departure, Nonis drafted Schneider, Edler, and Jannik Hansen. Gradin was still scouting and Nonis was on Burke's staff, so it can be argued his fingerprints may have still been on that.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Inferno099

Sometimes reminds me of my 5yr old son in Timbits - where he prefers to skate around the rink & not get close to the puck, but he's smiling all the time & having fun looking at the parents in the stands.

I get kind of the opposite impression.

Looks like a grumpy gus out there, pouting his way through the season.

Looks like the same player that Brent Sutter benched only for him to start mouthing to the media about the raw deal the coach gave him.

He's playing like he knows there is nothing to play for.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Under Burke the Canucks drafted the Sedins in 99, Bieksa in 2001, and Kesler in 2003. In 2004 shortly after his departure, Nonis drafted Schneider, Edler, and Jannik Hansen. Gradin was still scouting and Nonis was on Burke's staff, so it can be argued his fingerprints may have still been on that.

I will repeat, because I live here and I had forgotten, just how lousy the Nucks were when Burke took over, he got the Messier Canucks who were god awefull and completly lacking in both talant and prospects, he rapidly turned them into the Naslund Bertuzzi Canucks who were a good team by anyones standards,mostly by trades while at the same time drafting the foundations of the current Canucks.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I will repeat, because I live here and I had forgotten, just how lousy the Nucks were when Burke took over, he got the Messier Canucks who were god awefull and completly lacking in both talant and prospects, he rapidly turned them into the Naslund Bertuzzi Canucks who were a good team by anyones standards,mostly by trades while at the same time drafting the foundations of the current Canucks.

New GMs always reap the rewards of old GMs...even the ones taking over terrible teams. Even Burke who turned the Messier canucks into the Naslund-Bertuzzi canucks reaped the rewards of his predecessors. For one Burke didn't acquire Naslund or Bertuzzi. Quinn acquired Naslund (for Stojanov) and Keenan acquired Bertuzzi when he filled in as GM on an interim basis. Also on that roster before Burke were Ohlund, McCabe and Aucoin. Guys that formed the core of the team under the first couple years of Burke. He also had an unhappy Pavel Bure coming off of a 50 goal season to deal (to get Jovanovski and of course McCabe was used to get the second Sedin).

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by ernie

New GMs always reap the rewards of old GMs...even the ones taking over terrible teams. Even Burke who turned the Messier canucks into the Naslund-Bertuzzi canucks reaped the rewards of his predecessors. For one Burke didn't acquire Naslund or Bertuzzi. Quinn acquired Naslund (for Stojanov) and Keenan acquired Bertuzzi when he filled in as GM on an interim basis. Also on that roster before Burke were Ohlund, McCabe and Aucoin. Guys that formed the core of the team under the first couple years of Burke. He also had an unhappy Pavel Bure coming off of a 50 goal season to deal (to get Jovanovski and of course McCabe was used to get the second Sedin).

Thanks, had forgotten some of that, I will say though having gone over some of this my opinion of Burke has gone up, I think he put the Canucks on a winning trajectory that has essentailly gone on for over a decade, won a cup with the Ducks and appears to have done a better job at Toronto than he might have been given credit for.