I find the audio pretty annoying too, but I think the awfully compressed "HD" video feed Sportnet provides is even worse.
Ya I'm not sure why but the tsn and cbc feeds are always less choppy and have better resolution and audio. I'm just used to the sportsnet feeds now so when I watch one of the other two it's a nice treat.
I can't believe this issue still exists, after all these years, it should not be something that we are expected to just ignore and hope we don't notice.
I wish we had alternatives to watch Flames games but......
At this point, Sportsnet obviously doesn't care, because people are still going to watch even with the sync issues. It is probably more useful to go the route of contacting the advertisers. We may have to watch, but we are definitely not going to buy your products. They are the ones with any clout when it comes to Rogers.
I can't believe this issue still exists, after all these years, it should not be something that we are expected to just ignore and hope we don't notice.
I wish we had alternatives to watch Flames games but......
It's probably 1/5 of a second at the mix in the truck. That's about what it was on the videos I took from the Flames own site which I made into the video displaying the issue. Then the problem is likely made worse over the broadcast by the time it gets to your TV through Shaw. And it's not something that plagues Oilers or Canucks broadcasts.
For reference, here is the Hamilton goal clip I used directly from the Flames website
At this point, Sportsnet obviously doesn't care, because people are still going to watch even with the sync issues. It is probably more useful to go the route of contacting the advertisers. We may have to watch, but we are definitely not going to buy your products. They are the ones with any clout when it comes to Rogers.
Sportsnet doesn't care. Even Roger Millions flat out stated so many years ago.
Flames Central is re-branding in the new year and I don't even know where to buy Pinty's. I won't buy them anyways solely because they advertise on the glass and it's utterly stupid, annoying and is blamed for the cause of this issue. Couldn't tell you what QMM is nor will I even bother to Google it and that white one in my above video, that's just a steaming pile of visual garbage. To believe someone actually got paid to make that design which isn't even legible.
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People only watch because it's the only source for Flames hockey most times in the yyc area. If ever I can stream TSN for a game involving the Flames I will.
TSN/NBC/american networks have better visual quality, audio quality, high frame rate slo-mo replays and more interesting camera angles.
I don't know who of the Flames fan base actually goes out and buys from the companies getting advertised. The commercials (each of the 7 or 8 you see at least 12 times over the course of a game) and ads that cut into the game (sport select, intact insurance, whatever) as well as the ones superimposed on the glass are only an annoyance, not a motivator to spend even a cent on their products and I'm glad I don't. Every second on the network that isn't the Flames playing hockey is absolutely grating. And it makes all the much worse when intermissions and post game contain zero Flames content. In fact the only time aimed at the team is usually in the half hour prior, during which most fans haven't yet tuned in, because it's before the program start time. And McDavid talk/highlights/praise when the panel comes on? Who the f do they think they're broadcasting to?
There was one game earlier in the season (cant for the life of me remember which one) that was so bad you would hear the snap of a shot before the player had even done a wind up. It's a little better now, but most goals are called before the puck is in the net, which is frustrating.
djsFlames sums it up pretty well. Though the camera angles thing is more by design of the specific buildings. The Dome has certain camera positions that will always be the same, and additional optional positions that won't get used unless it's a big game on CBC (which they still never use) or the playoffs. Remember, the Leafs get cameras on refs, in the bottom of the boards, on a flying wire etc all year long. The Canucks have some of those as well. The Flames? Nope.
It all comes down to Sportsnet just doesn't care and hasn't for years. The Flames entered into a terrible agreement with those clowns and we, the fans, suffer for it. Could you imagine the outrage on HFOil if every time McDived tried to blow past 2 players and shovels the puck wide or directly into the goalie and Kevin Quinn is creaming his pants with "MICKDAAAAAAVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.... shoots wide" is heard while the puck still hasn't passed the dots? That crap would get fixed pretty damn quick.
I think fans need to direct their disdain towards King and ownership. The product was crap before they signed that long term deal so it's pretty obvious ownership is not concerned about the TV presentation of home games. King (was integral in getting Kerr the PBP gig) in particular is so tight with the 960 guys that Rogers could present games in 480i and he would still find a way to convince owners that TSN isn't the way to go.
I think fans need to direct their disdain towards King and ownership. The product was crap before they signed that long term deal so it's pretty obvious ownership is not concerned about the TV presentation of home games. King (was integral in getting Kerr the PBP gig) in particular is so tight with the 960 guys that Rogers could present games in 480i and he would still find a way to convince owners that TSN isn't the way to go.
Relatively confident the Flames owners are going to base their decision on who pays them more money not who Ken King is friends with.
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I think fans need to direct their disdain towards King and ownership. The product was crap before they signed that long term deal so it's pretty obvious ownership is not concerned about the TV presentation of home games. King (was integral in getting Kerr the PBP gig) in particular is so tight with the 960 guys that Rogers could present games in 480i and he would still find a way to convince owners that TSN isn't the way to go.
You mean to tell me they aren't already?
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I have been playing Nhl legacy version with my son the last couple of nights. It's pretty disappointing when the game recap from a video game is 100 times better than our actual broadcast feed for a professional hockey team. The way they cut the feed immediately after the game the other night was disgusting. #### you sportsnet.
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I can't believe this issue still exists, after all these years, it should not be something that we are expected to just ignore and hope we don't notice.
I wish we had alternatives to watch Flames games but......
Did anyone notice if Sportsnet had the same audio issue on Sportsnet Pacific last game against Van? I bet not.
Relatively confident the Flames owners are going to base their decision on who pays them more money not who Ken King is friends with.
You think so? I don't. If you recall TSN was critical of the Flames and Darryl Sutter post Phaneuf trade craziness as well King on TSN defending Bouwmeester, etc. I think there's a lot more involved than just money.
I think there's very little involved more than money. If the money is the same or very, very close then yes other things matter. But to think the Flames would take say $30 million a year in rights from RSN for pure boot licking, passing on $50 million a year from TSN for critical analysis....I'd be deeply worried if I was a Flames fan if they did that. Shows quite a lot of incompetence.
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You have to remember what the cable sports landscape looked like in 2010 when the Flames and Oilers signed their long-term deal with Sportsnet.
TSN only had one national network. TSN2 primarily re-ran content from the main network on a 3 hour time delay. The rules at the time limited the amount of regionalized programming TSN could offer on their alternate channel and they only showed a limited number of regional broadcasts of Leafs and Habs games.
At that time, the Thrashers sale was widely rumoured, although nothing was finalized until after that season. Winnipeg was in the SNW region, and it would have been difficult for Sportsnet to take on a third regional broadcast deal in the region.
It was potentially going to be a game of musical chairs where SNW could have two regional NHL deals, and three teams vying for the two spots. The Flames and Oilers got locked in to a long-term deal to secure their two seats before the third player had a chance to join the game.
Then TSN walked in with a new chair and the game changed.
Also, keep in mind that up until TSN launched its extra channels, people in the Jets' region had to pay an extra $10 a month to get their games.
At the time they signed the deal, it seemed like a smart move to get locked in long-term before the Jets came into the region. That's why the Flames and Oilers worked together to get it done.
Of course, shrewd deal or not, that doesn't excuse the piss-poor execution of the broadcasts we have to endure sometimes.
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So does anybody think that when the deal expires in 2020, we may have a different regional player like TSN making a push? We have 3 seasons left after this one concludes before the rights are up for renewal.
I have always liked TSN's production quality, panels and NHL coverage better. Given the grip that Sportsnet has on NHL I am not sure if they would want to continue the high level of concentration on NHL properties given the success of the current national deal or if they would want to diversify a bit.
Also, does anybody have any idea how much the current deal pays the Flames annually and how this compares to other markets and other providers like TSN?
