Brad Treliving needs to go

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Avs signed Colborne, they survived

What I meant are those are the types of players that Calgary gets. Calgary isn't exactly a draw for top players to sign. Denver is also a much better quality of life and economy.

Also the Avs have legit multiple stars and a competent GM that got an absolute Haul in picks for a player they knew wasnt working out instead of just shoe horning him into the line up.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Colborne and Brower are 2 prime examples of why the Flames will always be mediocre. Those are typical players that the Flames sign . That's why the Flames have been crap

Colborne was acquired for a conditional 4th round pick, it ended up being a pretty good deal for the Flames. He was a big help in the Flames 14-15 run to the playoffs. Obviously he's an after thought these days, but he was not a bad Calgary Flame. Brouwer and Neal on the other hand, total disasters and the effects of those bad contracts still linger today.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Instead of inevitably signing Troy Brouwer? Umm yes, 1000 X yes because his buy out is still being paid out by the team today and next year too. Colborne even at $2.5M+ would've been ok. He was a known commodity on the Flames and he was versatile and could play up and down the line up.

Well, no he couldn’t, not a year after he was not re-signed. Not extending him was one of Treliving’s better moves. Getting him for peanuts was also good. He just didn’t fit the examples, that’s all.

[CliffFletcher]

If Treliving is let go (which is unlikely), don’t expect big player moves this offseason. When’s the last time a new GM was hired and immediately made multiple big trades in his first few months on the job?

Treliving gone + changes to the core is not on the menu.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If Treliving is let go (which is unlikely), don’t expect big player moves this offseason. When’s the last time a new GM was hired and immediately made multiple big trades in his first few months on the job?

Treliving gone + changes to the core is not on the menu.

Exactly.

Not only that, but Sutter was just hired by Treliving, or the owners or whoever you like to believe hired him. Conventional wisdom says the GM hires the coach. This is pretty much accepted throughout the hockey world. So if the organization is about to can Treliving, wouldn’t you think this puts Sutter in a tenuous spot?

I can see a scenario where, after next season, if the Flames continue to disappoint, a new GM could come in with one year left on Sutters contract and then make the call.

Despite all the criticism and disappointment levied towards Treliving, all indications are Treliving is here to stay, for now.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by TOfan

The leafs offered a 1st and JVR. This was discussed after the trade on the Steve Dangle podcast. Those guys are pretty plugged in with the leafs and the value seems to be close to what the Flames gave up.

I just want to respond to this because "well, the other teams..........." is often trotted out as an explanation. Just because the Leafs were also idiots does not justify our idiocy. Let them have Hamonic. Instead, we are the idiots who actually paid a ridiculous price for a mediocre player. Really, objectively, a lot of hockey executives are morons; I would like to see us buck that trend and hire somebody outstanding, instead of trying to trump their morons with our morons. The typical profile I am thinking of is Colin Campbell - man, there are a lot of people in hockey at that level...

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I just want to respond to this because "well, the other teams..........." is often trotted out as an explanation. Just because the Leafs were also idiots does not justify our idiocy. Let them have Hamonic. Instead, we are the idiots who actually paid a ridiculous price for a mediocre player. Really, objectively, a lot of hockey executives are morons; I would like to see us buck that trend and hire somebody outstanding, instead of trying to trump their morons with our morons. The typical profile I am thinking of is Colin Campbell - man, there are a lot of people in hockey at that level...

I find it hilarious that it is not that uncommon to find people on this forum, who presumably have jobs and maybe even families, think they know more about the what it takes to be and NHL GM than the GM's themselves. That's remarkable if true. I don't know how many hours you have in your day, but I only have 24.

Consider the two GM's being referenced here; Treliving has a pretty extensive history of being a hockey executive which he has been since 1996. He ran a professional league, was as assistant GM for 7 years and now a GM for another 7 years. But sure, he' a moron. Dubas, considered one of the brighter young minds in hockey at the time of his hire, has also been a player agent and an AGM/GM of the Marlies. He won a Calder Cup with the Marlies and is now GM of one of the most valuable fanchises in the league and definitely in this country. Clearly he is idiot.

Out of curiosity, could you provide a list of all the morons who are active GM's? I'm interested to know who are the idiots and who are the brilliant ones. Nothing in between please, because that would be impossible. They must be one or the other.

When one starts stating other people idiots or morons who this person has had no personal interaction or any first hand experience with what the supposed idiot is doing, in this case being a professional hockey executive, I question who the idiot really is.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I find it hilarious that it is not that uncommon to find people on this forum, who presumably have jobs and maybe even families, think they know more about the what it takes to be and NHL GM than the GM's themselves. That's remarkable if true. I don't know how many hours you have in your day, but I only have 24.

Consider the two GM's being referenced here; Treliving has a pretty extensive history of being a hockey executive which he has been since 1996. He ran a professional league, was as assistant GM for 7 years and now a GM for another 7 years. But sure, he' a moron. Dubas, considered one of the brighter young minds in hockey at the time of his hire, has also been a player agent and an AGM/GM of the Marlies. He won a Calder Cup with the Marlies and is now GM of one of the most valuable fanchises in the league and definitely in this country. Clearly he is idiot.

Out of curiosity, could you provide a list of all the morons who are active GM's? I'm interested to know who are the idiots and who are the brilliant ones. Nothing in between please, because that would be impossible. They must be one or the other.

When one starts stating other people idiots or morons who have had no first hand personal interaction or any first hand experience with what the supposed idiot is doing, in this case being a professional hockey executive, I question who the idiot really is.

It doesn't take years of hockey experience to be able to tell whether somebody is "smart" or not. Most of the people in this thread are smarter than most NHL GM's I am sure, given the backgrounds and level of IQ/education required to pursue certain careers. I am comfortable saying that I am smarter than any NHL GM. Doesn't mean I am ready to take over running a franchise - you still need some time to familiarize yourself with the industry and get comfortable with/fill out the personnel.
If we require hockey qualifications to discuss what goes on in hockey, let's close this down and it can just be timbit's blog, unless there is someone else I am missing...

[kukkudo]

Got a feeling Tre and company are fired Friday.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Got a feeling Tre and company are fired Friday.

Just because there is something in the air?

[Toonage]

Unless he appears from hiding and says something or schedules a post season availability over the next few days I'm also of the opinion we've seen the last of him.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

It doesn't take years of hockey experience to be able to tell whether somebody is "smart" or not. Most of the people in this thread are smarter than most NHL GM's I am sure, given the backgrounds and level of IQ/education required to pursue certain careers. I am comfortable saying that I am smarter than any NHL GM. Doesn't mean I am ready to take over running a franchise - you still need some time to familiarize yourself with the industry and get comfortable with/fill out the personnel.
If we require hockey qualifications to discuss what goes on in hockey, let's close this down and it can just be timbit's blog, unless there is someone else I am missing...

Who are the morons who hire these idiots? Burke is a Harvard educated lawyer who was hired by a billionaire educated lawyer. Imbecile’s, the whole lot of them.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Who are the morons who hire these idiots? Burke is a Harvard educated lawyer who was hired by a billionaire educated lawyer. Imbecile’s, the whole lot of them.

Right?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Right?

Now I see the light. Fire Treliving!!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Unless he appears from hiding and says something or schedules a post season availability over the next few days I'm also of the opinion we've seen the last of him.

Sounds like it's possible. 960 spent a portion of the Francis segment this morning discussing GM replacements which is weird given the position is still currently filled. It's going to come down to how much money ownership is willing to pay to ex-employees. Darryl at least on the outside doesn't seem to be much of a fan of the GM's work and he's got the ear of ownership.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

It doesn't take years of hockey experience to be able to tell whether somebody is "smart" or not. Most of the people in this thread are smarter than most NHL GM's I am sure, given the backgrounds and level of IQ/education required to pursue certain careers. I am comfortable saying that I am smarter than any NHL GM. Doesn't mean I am ready to take over running a franchise - you still need some time to familiarize yourself with the industry and get comfortable with/fill out the personnel.
If we require hockey qualifications to discuss what goes on in hockey, let's close this down and it can just be timbit's blog, unless there is someone else I am missing...

GMs are an odd mix considering they hold identical executive positions. From just a correspondence-type HS diploma to Yale and Harvard grads. Brisbois has a JD and an MBA. In fact both GMs in the Florida series are lawyers. Lou L was a high school math teacher (maybe he knows game theory or something).

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

GMs are an odd mix considering they hold identical executive positions. From just a correspondence-type HS diploma to Yale and Harvard grads. Brisbois has a JD and an MBA. In fact both GMs in the Florida series are lawyers. Lou L was a high school math teacher (maybe he knows game theory or something).

Ward was a teacher. I believe Pete Deboer has a law degree.

On the other hand I read a quote from Sutter a couple days ago where he said ‘irregardless’ twice.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sounds like it's possible. 960 spent a portion of the Francis segment this morning discussing GM replacements which is weird given the position is still currently filled. It's going to come down to how much money ownership is willing to pay to ex-employees. Darryl at least on the outside doesn't seem to be much of a fan of the GM's work and he's got the ear of ownership.

I'm a little less concerned about the how much ownership is willing to spend argument after they sort of silenced that (a bit) by hiring Darryl.

We don't know how much Tre is making. I don't think? Regardless, to me the Sutter hiring suggested ownership is tired of losing and tired of the direction the team was going. I'm guessing if they think the results will be worth it, they'll pay and I didn't think that a year ago. Heck, not even 3 months ago.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I'm a little less concerned about the how much ownership is willing to spend argument after they sort of silenced that (a bit) by hiring Darryl.

We don't know how much Tre is making. I don't think? Regardless, to me the Sutter hiring suggested ownership is tired of losing and tired of the direction the team was going. I'm guessing if they think the results will be worth it, they'll pay and I didn't think that a year ago. Heck, not even 3 months ago.

Makes no sense.

If the Flames were going to fire Treliving, they would have either done it when Sutter was hired, or they wouldn’t have allowed Treliving to hire Sutter and would has gassed Ward and Treliving after the season.

[Toonage]

Not necessarily. They kept him on, let Sutter assess what was there. Tre's deadline moves were small and seemed controlled.

If they find a guy that they believe can handle the role better than Treliving, they will hire him.

I don't see this being strange at all.