Brad Treliving needs to go

[chedder]

These first playoff games should be proof enough that our general manager sucks.

His, I'm smarter than everyone, off the board coaching hires are the biggest reason the team has performed the way they have.

Closely followed by not fixing the personnel after the Colorado shellacking.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Treliving's real failure as a GM is pro scouting. Pretty much the rest of the league knew what Hamonic was, hence why there were no takers when he initially requested a trade. It took dufus Treliving and his "pro scouts" to overpay for a rapidly regressing defensive defenceman a full two seasons since his last decent campaign. It was a trade that every other GM in the league looked around and asked: "This is the wizard? Really?"

But there's a long list of disastrous pro scouting. From James Neal, to Troy Brouwer, to Mason Raymond, to Brandon Bolig, to Jaromir Jagr, etc.

Now we have head scratchers like Simon, Leivo and Norstrom.

We hope Tanev and Markstrom pan out, but it likely won't be due to pro scouting knowing what they're doing and instead just plain dumb luck. Hell, without Peters recommendation, Ryan may not have been acquired.

If Treliving remains as GM, he should just stop acquiring pros. He has no idea what he's doing there. He should also just fire his pro scouting staff and buy a dart board with the savings.

This is why I keep asking who was in charge of Bennett's development, I don't think it was just the coaches mandate to keep him on the 3 and 4th lines and not develop him properly. They are not seeing the right players with the right skills sets to fill the holes properly. For years now people have been clamoring for the Flames to give Bennett more ice time, better line-mates yet they were either blind, stubborn or just don't know what to do.

Brouwer and Neal set the team back on ice, player development and cap wise. If we had gotten the right players to fit those holes that could have been a tipping point for the Flames; Instead we got lazy, slow and poorly committed players who gave us almost nothing to show for it.

Do the Flames have a plan, stockpile picks, tank for talent, or just keep adding pieces while hoping for better results. If it is the latter the pro scouts need to start doing a better job, because that plan is not working.

[Number 39]

It won’t happen but what about Loob (no idea if he has any interest and i doubt he has)? Successful GM in Sweden for many years? Posting mainly to encourage conversation.

[Pipty]

So smart he got games during the playoffs while not actually having to make the playoffs

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Treliving's real failure as a GM is pro scouting. Pretty much the rest of the league knew what Hamonic was, hence why there were no takers when he initially requested a trade. It took dufus Treliving and his "pro scouts" to overpay for a rapidly regressing defensive defenceman a full two seasons since his last decent campaign. It was a trade that every other GM in the league looked around and asked: "This is the wizard? Really?"

But there's a long list of disastrous pro scouting. From James Neal, to Troy Brouwer, to Mason Raymond, to Brandon Bolig, to Jaromir Jagr, etc.

Now we have head scratchers like Simon, Leivo and Norstrom.

We hope Tanev and Markstrom pan out, but it likely won't be due to pro scouting knowing what they're doing and instead just plain dumb luck. Hell, without Peters recommendation, Ryan may not have been acquired.

If Treliving remains as GM, he should just stop acquiring pros. He has no idea what he's doing there. He should also just fire his pro scouting staff and buy a dart board with the savings.

The leafs offered a 1st and JVR. This was discussed after the trade on the Steve Dangle podcast. Those guys are pretty plugged in with the leafs and the value seems to be close to what the Flames gave up.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Treliving's real failure as a GM is pro scouting. Pretty much the rest of the league knew what Hamonic was, hence why there were no takers when he initially requested a trade. It took dufus Treliving and his "pro scouts" to overpay for a rapidly regressing defensive defenceman a full two seasons since his last decent campaign. It was a trade that every other GM in the league looked around and asked: "This is the wizard? Really?"

But there's a long list of disastrous pro scouting. From James Neal, to Troy Brouwer, to Mason Raymond, to Brandon Bolig, to Jaromir Jagr, etc.

Now we have head scratchers like Simon, Leivo and Norstrom.

We hope Tanev and Markstrom pan out, but it likely won't be due to pro scouting knowing what they're doing and instead just plain dumb luck. Hell, without Peters recommendation, Ryan may not have been acquired.

If Treliving remains as GM, he should just stop acquiring pros. He has no idea what he's doing there. He should also just fire his pro scouting staff and buy a dart board with the savings.

Yep, I’ve been saying this for a while. Treliving’s pro scouting is borderline abysmal. The Brouwer and Neal signings absolutely crippled the team’s cap situation and it forced him down the path of acquiring bottom of the barrel solutions which proved to be utter utter failures this season. If one or two of those signings do not occur, maybe they can afford to pay a Tyler Toffoli instead of watching him eat us alive this season.

Just a ton of questionable moves like getting rid of effective NHLers like Paul Byron, Joe Colborne and Brett Kulak for nothing while picking up Curtis Lazar, Hunter Shinkaruks, Rinet Valiev and etc. Like even though these aren’t huge in the grand scheme of things, it still leads me to question his judgement.

His vision was all about building from the net out and constantly getting offense from your defense. But it lead the Flames no where because they couldn’t score when it mattered. Now his negligence to the forward group has lead to so many holes everywhere up front that the team once again, cannot score enough to win. If he does indeed stay, he should be stripped of all his pro scouting ability to focus on contract negotiations/forecast and drafting.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

This is why I keep asking who was in charge of Bennett's development, I don't think it was just the coaches mandate to keep him on the 3 and 4th lines and not develop him properly. They are not seeing the right players with the right skills sets to fill the holes properly. For years now people have been clamoring for the Flames to give Bennett more ice time, better line-mates yet they were either blind, stubborn or just don't know what to do.

Brouwer and Neal set the team back on ice, player development and cap wise. If we had gotten the right players to fit those holes that could have been a tipping point for the Flames; Instead we got lazy, slow and poorly committed players who gave us almost nothing to show for it.

Do the Flames have a plan, stockpile picks, tank for talent, or just keep adding pieces while hoping for better results. If it is the latter the pro scouts need to start doing a better job, because that plan is not working.

Yeah how they can’t see what they have in Bennett?

Incompetence at its highest

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yep, I’ve been saying this for a while. Treliving’s pro scouting is borderline abysmal. The Brouwer and Neal signings absolutely crippled the team’s cap situation and it forced him down the path of acquiring bottom of the barrel solutions which proved to be utter utter failures this season. If one or two of those signings do not occur, maybe they can afford to pay a Tyler Toffoli instead of watching him eat us alive this season.

Just a ton of questionable moves like getting rid of effective NHLers like Paul Byron, Joe Colborne and Brett Kulak for nothing while picking up Curtis Lazar,

Joe Colborne was an effective NHLer? He played 62 games (4 goals in those after 3 in his frist) and then was out of the NHL. BT made exactly the right decision to let him go.

There are enough valid criticisms why must we make up other ones?

[Manhattanboy]

Brad, tick tick tick.

[flames_fan_down_under]

It is far too quiet with BT. Seems very odd that he hasn't done really any media in at least 3 weeks?

[keenan87]

I think he will be gone on Thursday. At least, I hope.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Joe Colborne was an effective NHLer? He played 62 games (4 goals in those after 3 in his frist) and then was out of the NHL. BT made exactly the right decision to let him go.

There are enough valid criticisms why must we make up other ones?

For what he was, yeah he was a solid player. Big body, fluid skater, soft hands. Hell, he had a better ppg as a Flame than Sam Bennett. His final season looked like a 20 goal/50 point season if he didn’t miss so many games.

Also, a back injury and a really bad concussion is what ended his career. Not because he was a bad player. Last I checked (posted on CP actually), he could only do light workouts because of bad post concussion syndrome. Had he re-signed with the Flames, maybe his career turns out completely differently.

[GioforPM]

In Colborne’s final season he was a 4 goal, 8 point player, -21 to boot. Over 62 games. And he ended his career in the AHL the next year. If his career ending was injury related, it was as a minor leaguer.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Ok but based on known facts it was the right call.
He would have had to been qualified and had arb rights
Avs signed him to a 2 year @ 2.5 deal
You think bt should have done that?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

In Colborne’s final season he was a 4 goal, 8 point player, -21 to boot. Over 62 games. And he ended his career in the AHL the next year. If his career ending was injury related, it was as a minor leaguer.

Yes, that was not a good season for him, but that was one year (as you've been saying a lot lately) and it was on that disaster 16-17 Avalanche team where everybody was bad. Mackinnon only had 53 points that season and Iggy only had 8 goals! I wouldn't call that season a representation of what Joe Colborne really was.

I mean, doesn't Sam Bennett kind of prove that? Only 12 points and a -14 this season with the Flames but a 1.5 PPG with the Panthers? Numbers don't always tell the full story.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ok but based on known facts it was the right call.
He would have had to been qualified and had arb rights
Avs signed him to a 2 year @ 2.5 deal
You think bt should have done that?

Instead of inevitably signing Troy Brouwer? Umm yes, 1000 X yes because his buy out is still being paid out by the team today and next year too. Colborne even at $2.5M+ would've been ok. He was a known commodity on the Flames and he was versatile and could play up and down the line up.

[combustiblefuel]

If Brad's still here next year and can't do some majour overhaul to this team over the Summer theres a HIGH percentage I'm done spending my time and money on this Franchise. Outside of 04 nothing worth of note has happened. I don't count the 80s because I didn't get to see that. I'll probably pull a Cali and go with Seattle (pretty local team) ONLY because I could never cheer for another Canadian team. Seattle could very well suck but it's a fresh start. Kinda dating a loser and having to move on. I could actually get to games very easy too. An hour drive and the ferry does right down town.

If the kick Brad to the curb and makes some majour changes then good.

I'm not asking for a damn dynasty but ice a an entertaining product for a couple of years at least. That hasnt happen in what 3 of the last 20 years? The fact is they never build up the cupboards with a pipe line of prospects that are good and It's hard for them to attract top FAs . It's been almost a decade after a rebuild and I just don't see how the Flames manage not to be mediocre for another ten.

They need to start with showing bad the door and I would even say Conroy. Take the whole management team out and start fresh.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Instead of inevitably signing Troy Brouwer? Umm yes, 1000 X yes because his buy out is still being paid out by the team today and next year too. Colborne even at $2.5M+ would've been ok. He was a known commodity on the Flames and he was versatile and could play up and down the line up.

Colborne and Brower are 2 prime examples of why the Flames will always be mediocre. Those are typical players that the Flames sign . That's why the Flames have been crap

[dino7c]

The Avs signed Colborne, they survived

[Itse]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Treliving's real failure as a GM is pro scouting. Pretty much the rest of the league knew what Hamonic was, hence why there were no takers when he initially requested a trade. It took dufus Treliving and his "pro scouts" to overpay for a rapidly regressing defensive defenceman a full two seasons since his last decent campaign. It was a trade that every other GM in the league looked around and asked: "This is the wizard? Really?"

But there's a long list of disastrous pro scouting. From James Neal, to Troy Brouwer, to Mason Raymond, to Brandon Bolig, to Jaromir Jagr, etc.

Now we have head scratchers like Simon, Leivo and Norstrom.

We hope Tanev and Markstrom pan out, but it likely won't be due to pro scouting knowing what they're doing and instead just plain dumb luck. Hell, without Peters recommendation, Ryan may not have been acquired.

If Treliving remains as GM, he should just stop acquiring pros. He has no idea what he's doing there. He should also just fire his pro scouting staff and buy a dart board with the savings.

I think there's a fundamental issue with the way Treliving approaches player acquisition. It's either "fill holes in the lineup for as low a price as possible" OR "get the best player of this type that's available right now".

The former leads to wasting picks year after year on extremely mediocre players, and the latter leads us to overpaying for guys that are not actually difference makers.

This is what built him "the wizard" reputation, because these are moves that look good on paper and hockey commentators tend to like them. It's all about the now and the context of where each move is made, and not enough about "is this player generally speaking worth this".