2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by really?

By their actions the Flames believe you are an anomaly. In the short term they may be correct, but I used to be, and know quite a few, fans of the Washington football team. They used to be a model franchise, winning, build from within, establish a culture, but then they were overtaken by new ownership who decided the collection of shiny toys was the pathway to success. After 2 plus decades of banging their heads against the wall, they now face a largely empty stadium on Sundays, and an ever revolving cast of characters. Kinda sad, but I enjoy Sundays more now than I did then.

Maybe Flames fans are a different breed and they will continue to harbor hope that if they continue to do it again and again with vanilla results the wheel will eventually go round, but most come to realize that all they are left with is an aging roster of mercenaries with their sights set on the offseason.

I can understand a desire to keep Lindholm, but if the team continues to mortgage the future to appease a good, but not great player, then that player should feel the pressure to carry this team to the top echelon. Maybe he delivers, maybe he doesn’t, but if the Flames were to deal future assets in an effort to retain Lindholm, the fans should expect maximum effort AND results.

I was thinking about this, we are banking on an older core, we can't even add decent players because of it. If we had a top elite player adding Nylander makes sense; but with this core and the poor efforts we saw with Kadri last season, what the heck are the Flames building. They should be trading Kadri and working the roster from there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nylander males no sense on a already winger heavy team.

Pay another winger 9 plus is a mistake. Payinh him while Lindholm remains unsigned would be dumb as well.

Trading your top prospect who has superstar written all over him along with a 1st would put Conroy in the worst gm conversation right away.

I don't think this trade ever happens.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think there’s an extra gear in Nylander when he’s not 4th on the depth chart. Could be a sneaky pickup, especially with the Kadri familiarity. However, Wolf is a nonstarter.

[Lanny_McDonald]

On paper these pairings look really good.

Huberdeau-Lindholm-xxx
xxx-Kadri-Nylander

That is until you look at the green paper and realize those four players are going to cost you close to $36M. At that point you really have to ask yourself if it is worth it. You really have to squeeze value everywhere else in the lineup.

[iamca]

I wouldn’t be thinking about dealing Wolf under the majority of trade scenarios, however I would have no difficulty in dealing Marky or Vlad.

Do not want a 3 goalie logjam going into camp and then you deal out of desperation.

Wolf doesn’t have anything to prove at the AHL level and he’s Calgary’s best goaltending prospect by a mile at this stage.


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[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

On paper these pairings look really good.

Huberdeau-Lindholm-xxx
xxx-Kadri-Nylander

That is until you look at the green paper and realize those four players are going to cost you close to $36M. At that point you really have to ask yourself if it is worth it. You really have to squeeze value everywhere else in the lineup.

Agreed. Then out of nowhere we become the Toronto Maple Leafs.

However, the cap is going up. So it wouldn’t be that bad. If we could re-sign Lindholm I dig Nylander here and signing. I think Conroy could make the cap work. The last guy I worry about needing a hefty raise would be Andersson, but Markstrom’s cap expires the same year. And that’s in 3 years.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1675886064869982215

Good list, young players with upside. Not aging vets!

I'd take a flyer on Foote if Hanifin is moved.

[Inferno]

I'd tell Treliving to go pound sand if he wants Wolf. You don't trade highly touted goalie prospects unless you have another one that's just as good. Which the Flames don't.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I was thinking about this, we are banking on an older core, we can't even add decent players because of it. If we had a top elite player adding Nylander makes sense; but with this core and the poor efforts we saw with Kadri last season, what the heck are the Flames building. They should be trading Kadri and working the roster from there.

The team has very little flexibility. If Lindholm is signed half the cap is going to be devoted to 6 players, none of which seem to be elite and none of which are young. So in order to improve the team, you likely can't sign anyone due to cap constraints. You're likely not a destination any top free agent wants to come to anyways. The prospects you do have on the way are not blue chippers. You can build through the draft but that likely takes several years at a minimum (especially when you have mid round picks), at which point any boost you might get from your young guys is offset by the decline in your older guys. It's nice to talk about getting younger but based on the make up of your team currently, I think your best case scenario is a middle of the pack team.

[Vinny01]

Zadina on waivers. 2018 6th overall pick

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

On paper these pairings look really good.

Huberdeau-Lindholm-xxx
xxx-Kadri-Nylander

That is until you look at the green paper and realize those four players are going to cost you close to $36M. At that point you really have to ask yourself if it is worth it. You really have to squeeze value everywhere else in the lineup.

Knowing that the Flames are never going to tear it all down (and in light of cap relief coming next year) you might as well try to add premium pieces if it doesn't cost you your best young assets. In a couple seasons you could be looking at a top 9 of

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Coronato
Honzek-Kadri-Nylander
Pelletier-xxxxx-xxxxx

...which is an interesting blend of youth and vets with high-end (if not elite-elite) upside (and presumably by then you've moved guys like Backlund, Coleman, Mangiapane, and Dube for futures).

Wouldn't love a Wolf trade but I understand where others who wonder about how the size will affect his ceiling at the next level. Would rather package something from a Hanifin trade if he isn't an option for TO.

Edit: given what dissentowner said about what the Leaf's are looking to get back and their current needs, maybe something like a Dube, Zadorov, 1st package (6.05m) for Nylander + Liljegren (~8.4). Leafs buy out or trade Murray with a sweetener; Flames still have to trade 2 or 3 of Hanifin, Backlund, Vladar and only need to lose about a mil in the deal.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok guys, I am hearing the Leafs have definitely pivoted in trying to sign Nylander over the past 48 hours as they are not close on money and term and the Flames are very interested. There is a snag though, the Leafs are looking for futures in a Nylander deal and don't want to take salary back. This makes a Flames deal for Nylander tough as of right now. The Flames would have to move pieces like Hanifin for futures to add to the package to land Nylander or involve a third team. The problem is teams that are interested in Hanifin want to make hockey trades where they send salary back and not just all futures. I was told that not only would they want a 1st rnd pick but the piece that BT would covet most in a trade with us is Dustin Wolf. I have no idea if Nylander would come with an extension in place. So 3 pieces from us, Wolf, a 1st, and another prospect/pick is what I am hearing. If that is the case I am wondering why Conroy would not have done that Pittsburgh deal that was rumoured on the table. He could then put in place a condition where Toronto would get the later of the 1st the picks between the Flames and the Penguins. I have no idea if the Flames would even consider including Wolf, seems like a can't miss goalie prospect but then again goalies are voodoo. Conroy going after Nylander does make sense in that he stated he wanted to add another top 6 winger and that was before the Toffoli trade. Even if he projects Yegor Sharangovich as a top 6 winger that still leaves a top 6 winger need. The other thing is Nylander does have a lot of connections with Flames players, the Swedes and Kadri. Could be that they want to work out an extension first or maybe the Leafs won't let us even speak to Nylander without having the pieces in play first. Maybe Brad does another sign and trade? Maybe Toronto gets a better offer in the meantime or maybe the Nylander camp comes down on their ask but I do know that the Leafs are now open to listening on offers. Another thing I heard not Flames related is Matthews wants $13.5M on only a 3 year deal. The Leafs are not concerned with the AAV but want an 8 year commitment. Matthews has no interest in a long term deal. I think BT will eventually cave because it's Matthews, maybe he gets an extra year but I would be shocked if it is anything over a 4 year extension for Matthews. Damn I am tired.

Thanks Diss

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Thanks Diss

Same thing you’re hearing? Do either of you get the sense that something maybe imminent?

[JTech780]

If Conroy pulls off a Nylander trade with an extension, I would have to think Lindholm is all but gone. Not sure how you can fit both extensions in.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Zadina on waivers. 2018 6th overall pick

Signed at 1.825 for 2 more years (RFA after). I don't know anything about him though, listed as RW.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Same thing you’re hearing? Do either of you get the sense that something maybe imminent?

Honestly Pickle, teams that were calling before are not calling as much as before the buyout window. It got really interesting before FA with some of the names becoming available. 100% changed the market.

Teams are coming in screaming hot with low ball offers or trying to get organizational pieces that are just not available which appears to be along the lines of what Dissentowner was posting. kudo's to him.

We just have to continue to hope things change but our dance partners are limited.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Honestly Pickle, teams that were calling before are not calling as much as before the buyout window. It got really interesting before FA with some of the names becoming available.

Teams are coming in screaming hot with low ball offers or trying to get organizational pieces that are just not available which appears to be along the lines of what Dissentowner was posting. kudo's to him.

We just have to continue to hope things change but our dance partners are limited.

That's unfortunate, but I hope the Flames don't compound the problem by taking a deal which gives away futures. It kills their future prospects instantly.

[Major Major]

The things that make me Nylander interested:

Could be the perfect match with huberdeau. Drives possession, makes space, stretch ice... All those things that are going to let the magician at work.

Might explode with more offensive reps.

Genetics... This is obviously a little more difficult to pin down, but Michael's career didn't peak until he was in his mid 30s and he had a 25 year pro hockey career.

Still, don't trade Wolf.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Flames sign Brady Lyle

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by bluejays

That's unfortunate, but I hope the Flames don't compound the problem by taking a deal which gives away futures. It kills their future prospects instantly.

We can safely assume futures are not available in Calgary.

Another thing effecting flames is what is that cap number next year. Calgary has modelling with anywhere from 3-8+ on the total cap next year.