Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

What bunch of psychotic clowns re-elected Joe Ceci? We should wall their community off.

Well that didn’t take long.

Spoiler!

I’m just kidding Locke

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Locke

What bunch of psychotic clowns re-elected Joe Ceci? We should wall their community off.

Might not be the best idea while the Flames are in the playoffs, as that would close off both the Saddledome and the Red Mile from all the suburban tourists.

Beltline, CBD, Mission, Cliff Bungalow, Inglewood, the Stampede Grounds, Eau Claire, Ramsay, East Village, Downtown West End are Ceci's realm now. Interestingly enough, that means he represents more property tax dollars than any other MLA in the province.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Might not be the best idea while the Flames are in the playoffs, as that would close off both the Saddledome and the Red Mile from all the suburban tourists.

Beltline, CBD, Mission, Cliff Bungalow, Inglewood, the Stampede Grounds, Eau Claire, Ramsay, East Village, Downtown West End are Ceci's realm now. Interestingly enough, that means he represents more property tax dollars than any other MLA in the province.

Meh its only got one more night in it anyway

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

With the NDP out of the way, no more excuses. We've been promised jobs, economy and pipelines and anything less will be a debacle of epic proportions.

I'm not sure how anyone can actually have woken up today with any confidence in the new government.....Especially if they voted for this.

The performance Kenny put on at his acceptance speech was on par with a Donald Trump delivery from cruising into the building in his blue truck to speaking fairly poor french to Quebecois like they can't understand English, was all just, sad.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I'm not sure how anyone can actually have woken up today with any confidence in the new government.....Especially if they voted for this.

The performance Kenny put on at his acceptance speech was on par with a Donald Trump delivery from cruising into the building in his blue truck to speaking fairly poor french to Quebecois like they can't understand English, was all just, sad.

Keep that fear coming, it surely helped you in the election.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

With the NDP out of the way, no more excuses. We've been promised jobs, economy and pipelines and anything less will be a debacle of epic proportions.

You know and I know that even if it stagnates or, unlikely, gets worse, they will have the CTF, the Fraser Institute and 15 Keynesian economists ready with a battalion of think-pieces about how some factor (caused by the previous government, natch) is the reason they haven't accomplished anything.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Might not be the best idea while the Flames are in the playoffs, as that would close off both the Saddledome and the Red Mile from all the suburban tourists.

Beltline, CBD, Mission, Cliff Bungalow, Inglewood, the Stampede Grounds, Eau Claire, Ramsay, East Village, Downtown West End are Ceci's realm now. Interestingly enough, that means he represents more property tax dollars than any other MLA in the province.

Really? My guess would have been greater fort mac with all the mines etc.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Locke

What bunch of psychotic clowns re-elected Joe Ceci? We should wall their community off.

At least as a backbencher for the opposition, he won't have to figure out this math thing anymore.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

You know and I know that even if it stagnates or, unlikely, gets worse, they will have the CTF, the Fraser Institute and 15 Keynesian economists ready with a battalion of think-pieces about how some factor (caused by the previous government, natch) is the reason they haven't accomplished anything.

Don't forget, last night he promised pipelines. That means he's going to deliver multiple pipelines across the country and with no interprovincial or federal jurisdiction to boot.

My guess is he takes credit for TMX (which was going to be delivered anyways) and Line 3 (which is already being built). However, since he was expressly addressing Quebec, looks like he's going for a hail mary and betting on Energy East getting restarted. And god bless, perhaps even Northern Gateway and Keystone XL under his watch.

High expectations. No one said he had to deliver multiple pipelines, but he said it in plural, so now we should expect delivery of said pipelines.

Reminds me when in Fight Club, Tyler makes Ed Norton promise three times to not talk about Marla. Then Ed Norton can't keep his word

[Resolute 14]

Hopefully the Liberals just pack it in already. Their vote counts per riding were basically equivalent to that of Derek Fildebrandt's ego party and not much better than the Alberta Independence Party. Didn't finish above fourth in a single riding, and in some places it was even worse. They finished 7th of 7 in Drayton Valley-Devon.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Keep that fear coming, it surely helped you in the election.

Where’s the fear in that post?

I think it’s perfectly fine for people who did not vote for Kenney to have woken up with very little confidence in the new government. In fact, I would say it’s extremely likely

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

I was surprised there wasn't massive traffic this morning with the 50,000 oilpatch employees going back in downtown today. Or is everyone taking a couple of days to celebrate and coming back in on Monday?

Seriously though, Albertans spoke clearly, and it will be interesting to see what happens when none of the campaign rhetoric translates into actual policy that benefits Albertans. Sure, the carbon tax will be repealed...and the feds will impose theirs the very next day. Where will all these magical jobs that were promised going to come from exactly? Will we have a meaningless referendum on equalization, given that that province has no involvement in the collection or disbursement of those payments?

I predict in 2 years from now, downtown office vacancy will be the same or higher, unemployment will remain close to current levels, and there will be no significant gains in resource pricing. In my opinion, the factors that are driving the most significant economic issues are controlled by market forces far outside of provincial influence...no matter who is premier.

Yeah well as long as the debt and deficit isn't still spiralling out of control, I'll consider it a win.

Man, some of the posts from last night are downright cringeworthy. Ozy and Muta, I'm looking at you. People like you are why people like me think the NDP and their groupies are insane. You boys can't handle losing, and are freaking out like children, tossing around lame insults and making ridiculous statements about things being terrifying, dodge rams, ducks, and tools.

I'm embarrassed for you guys. My seven year old daughter doesn't throw hissy fits that pathetic. And speaking of my daughter, I'd like to hand over a province that isn't hundreds of millions of dollars in debt by the time she's paying the taxes. The NDP simply doesn't understand that. It's absolutely devastating to an economy to be so far in debt that a great portion of revenue is spent on debt servicing.

Go ahead and joke that it's all about magically getting pipelines approved and jobs reappearing. Go right ahead and be a simpleton. I'm glad the grown ups got out and voted last night, and got rid of the ridiculous NDP. And for the record, I'm also glad that we now have a semblance of balance in the province. A strong opposition is good for everyone. I'm glad there will be voices championing rights and the environment.

It sucks that it's still looking like an urban/rural divide, though. I really wish the AP made some headway. Man they screwed up by pushing out Greg Clark. It would really be nice if there was a true centerist party battling the UCP in the next election instead of UCP vs NDP. It just feels gross that elections seem like you're choosing economic issues or social issues. Where's the taco kid with the "why not both?".

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Yeah well as long as the debt and deficit isn't still spiralling out of control, I'll consider it a win.

Man, some of the posts from last night are downright cringeworthy. Ozy and Muta, I'm looking at you. People like you are why people like me think the NDP and their groupies are insane. You boys can't handle losing, and are freaking out like children, tossing around lame insults and making ridiculous statements about things being terrifying, dodge rams, ducks, and tools.

I'm embarrassed for you guys. My seven year old daughter doesn't throw hissy fits that pathetic. And speaking of my daughter, I'd like to hand over a province that isn't hundreds of millions of dollars in debt by the time she's paying the taxes. The NDP simply doesn't understand that. It's absolutely devastating to an economy to be so far in debt that a great portion of revenue is spent on debt servicing.

Go ahead and joke that it's all about magically getting pipelines approved and jobs reappearing. Go right ahead and be a simpleton. I'm glad the grown ups got out and voted last night, and got rid of the ridiculous NDP. And for the record, I'm also glad that we now have a semblance of balance in the province. A strong opposition is good for everyone. I'm glad there will be voices championing rights and the environment.

It sucks that it's still looking like an urban/rural divide, though. I really wish the AP made some headway. Man they screwed up by pushing out Greg Clark. It would really be nice if there was a true centerist party battling the UCP in the next election instead of UCP vs NDP. It just feels gross that elections seem like you're choosing economic issues or social issues. Where's the taco kid with the "why not both?".

Love you too man

[Flamenspiel]

As a province, I would say that we are certainly better off that the UCP won, Our province needs a more aggressive approach. Sometimes displaying anger and being the squeaky wheel gets things going your way politically, the success of a poor province like Quebec is a prime example. Certainly there are things Alberta can do to shake things up and make things very uncomfortable for Canada.

That being said, I tend to agree with some of Jen Gerson's articles that we have to be cynical about politics, i like to see a strong opposition in the form of Ceci and a decent number of NDP MLAs in the house. The NDP has never been good at governing but they have always been a great opposition party. They were not able to wield the tools of power effectively. They are fundamentally a protest party.

As long as they do not work with foreign interests or publicly trash Alberta as part of their strategy I am ok with Ceci and some of the others being elected.

[GordonBlue]

glad i wasn't on here last night. pretty ugly at times.

I'm a realist. UCP won't be as bad as the left paints it, and they won't do much that they promised or people hope they will.

for people like pepsifree's friend, I don't think that there should be much worry about huge layoffs. I think the only people who should count on losing their jobs are the people who worked directly for an NDP member in their offices.

I think the public sector will basically carry on like it has been, with continued lack of wage increases, and the continued erosion of benefits.

The Who had it right. it's always meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Yeah well as long as the debt and deficit isn't still spiralling out of control, I'll consider it a win.

Man, some of the posts from last night are downright cringeworthy. Ozy and Muta, I'm looking at you. People like you are why people like me think the NDP and their groupies are insane. You boys can't handle losing, and are freaking out like children, tossing around lame insults and making ridiculous statements about things being terrifying, dodge rams, ducks, and tools.

I always hate it when winners try to take the high road after "freaking out like children, tossing around lame insults and making ridiculous statements about things" for the last 4 years. That's really not an option for you guys.

I'm embarrassed for you guys. My seven year old daughter doesn't throw hissy fits that pathetic. And speaking of my daughter, I'd like to hand over a province that isn't hundreds of millions of dollars in debt by the time she's paying the taxes. The NDP simply doesn't understand that. It's absolutely devastating to an economy to be so far in debt that a great portion of revenue is spent on debt servicing.

Go ahead and tell me exactly how devastating government debt is to an economy. The US has one of the highest debts in the entire world. Every EU country is in debt including the vaunted Norway. Japan is in debt, Australia is in debt and so forth.

Show me how much you understand about it since the NDP clearly doesn't.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I always hate it when winners try to take the high road after "freaking out like children, tossing around lame insults and making ridiculous statements about things" for the last 4 years. That's really not an option for you guys.

Trust me, no one has taken the high road here, it's been constant attacks and finger pointing by everyone well before last night. The cons on this board have nothing to shine about other than a UCP win, which they are allowed to celebrate.

However, I can assure you those same people were dooming and glooming four years ago on this very board, and the tone was exactly the same as it is now.

I had a blast last night, and I'm going to keep it up for the next 1500 days!

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I always hate it when winners try to take the high road after "freaking out like children, tossing around lame insults and making ridiculous statements about things" for the last 4 years. That's really not an option for you guys.



Go ahead and tell me exactly how devastating government debt is to an economy. The US has one of the highest debts in the entire world. Every EU country is in debt including the vaunted Norway. Japan is in debt, Australia is in debt and so forth.

Show me how much you understand about it since the NDP clearly doesn't.

You want to really use the US and the EU as examples of places that have good debt? Really? The US, where you have to pay to go to the hospital, and the EU where two or three economies are supporting places like Greece and Italy?

This isn't about the high road, either. It's just pathetic how ridiculous politics make people act.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 4X4

This isn't about the high road, either. It's just pathetic how ridiculous politics make people act.

To their point though, this really is a “both sides many sides” situation, as neither party has a shortage of detractors that resort to ridiculous childishness and dramatics.

Last night was pretty ugly though, for multiple posters on this board.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I always hate it when winners try to take the high road after "freaking out like children, tossing around lame insults and making ridiculous statements about things" for the last 4 years. That's really not an option for you guys.

So close to being self-aware, yet so far...