Can one of you who seems to be able to come up with some explanation for anything explain the logic behind Cersei's actions...
She seems genuinely shaken by the undead soldier and offers to accept the truce if Jon swears loyalty to her (I think?) and agrees to never leave the North;
When Jon refuses, she says No Deal to the whole thing, and storms out of the conference;
Tyrion says. . . . Something . . . . to her and she comes back not only ready to accept the truce, but pledges Lannister troops to fight with the North. . . . Except;
She then says, Nope, I'm keeping my troops here to consolidate my hold on the South as soon as the Golden Company arrives.
I genuinely can't see a logical thread, but rather than just bashing the writing, I'll give the collective shadow writers here a chance to make sense of it.
And if you can do that, we can move on to the entire Sansa & Arya plotline, which has me similarly baffled.
Just to add on to that, somehow have it all planned out that Euron will see the undead and then pretend he is going to run away and sail off to the Iron Islands? Cersei didn't know they would have an undead solider at this meeting, did she?
He's a mix of Targaryen and Stark, so he's pretty much got claim to the iron throne and Winterfell, as far as I can tell.
He wouldn't have claim to Winterfell because Ned's kids would go first.
Ned's kids would get first crack at it (just like how Rhaegar's kids are first line). That would be Bran, Sansa, Arya (in that order I think because males go first regardless of age but if not then Sansa, Bran, Arya).
Jon wouldn't come into play unless none of the heirs had their own kids or all were dead. Similar to how in real life it is now Prince William's son who is ahead of Harry in the line of British succession.
Which works out well because Bran isn't a Stark anymore and Sansa seems destined to be the Lord of Winterfell.
Just to add on to that, somehow have it all planned out that Euron will see the undead and then pretend he is going to run away and sail off to the Iron Islands? Cersei didn't know they would have an undead solider at this meeting, did she?
After watching I just assumed that Cersei and him planned out that he would storm out during that meeting for whatever reason he could come up with. The undead Wight was perfect in that case.
I'm not sure Cersei is pregnant. It seemed like she was playing Tyrion when she grabbed her stomach. It's just another way for her to influence people.
I thought about that as a way to manipulate Jaime but it would be hard for her to milk this any more than four months and considering the timelines and how much time the show was skipping travelling and such she should be showing soon.
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He's a mix of Targaryen and Stark, so he's pretty much got claim to the iron throne and Winterfell, as far as I can tell.
The Theon-Jon talk was hinting at this. Not having to choose Iron Born or Stark, but being both. Jon won't give up being a Stark. But I'm pretty sure that Sansa will be the Warden of the North by the time this is all over.
Now that one dragon is dead, at least we don 't have to deal with speculation about who the 3rd Targaryen dragon rider will be. I never liked those Tyrion theories, seemed too far fetched.
I get that they got proof in bringing back that dead walker but I don't think it was worth the tradeoff of giving the white walkers a dragon. I assume a dragon faceoff is looming but given how hard it is to kill these undead animals it's probably going to be tough for two dragons to take down the zombie dragon.
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After watching I just assumed that Cersei and him planned out that he would storm out during that meeting for whatever reason he could come up with. The undead Wight was perfect in that case.
Pretty much. The Golden Company's involvement has been talked about for a few episodes now, so obviously Cersei would have some plan or another to have them get to Westeros.
I get that they got proof in bringing back that dead walker but I don't think it was worth the tradeoff of giving the white walkers a dragon. I assume a dragon faceoff is looming but given how hard it is to kill these undead animals it's probably going to be tough for two dragons to take down the zombie dragon.
But shouldn't it now be vulnerable to fire? 2 fire breathing dragons shouldn't have too much difficulty. Plus I'd imagine dragon glass tipped spears and arrows are in full production.
He wouldn't have claim to Winterfell because Ned's kids would go first.
Ned's kids would get first crack at it (just like how Rhaegar's kids are first line). That would be Bran, Sansa, Arya (in that order I think because males go first regardless of age but if not then Sansa, Bran, Arya).
Jon wouldn't come into play unless none of the heirs had their own kids or all were dead. Similar to how in real life it is now Prince William's son who is ahead of Harry in the line of British succession.
Which works out well because Bran isn't a Stark anymore and Sansa seems destined to be the Lord of Winterfell.
He's already been named King of the North though...succession seems to be more by whoever can get the best chant going than the general rules.
Is it just me or did the ice dragon seem to be much faster as well? The way it was sweeping and turning along the wall looked much faster than what we'd seen in earlier episodes.
Wonder how they'll fit Sam's time in to the remaining storyline. With his dad and brother burnt, he should be the head of house Tarly, and the last we saw of him was him saying he wants to do more than just read. He's got the Valyrian steel blade. Would seem everything is set up for him to see some action back at Jon's side.
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Sam is a member of the nights watch. He has sworn off his titles. But I guess since the wall is no more, no more need for the nights watch
Is it just me or did the ice dragon seem to be much faster as well? The way it was sweeping and turning along the wall looked much faster than what we'd seen in earlier episodes.
They were running up to the 1 hour 20 minute mark, they had to make him go a bit faster to fit it all in.
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Sam is a member of the nights watch. He has sworn off his titles. But I guess since the wall is no more, no more need for the nights watch
That could be the case regarding the Nights Watch and their vows now, but if those vows still hold would house Tarley pass on to Sam's younger sister? She was very fond of him and I could see that family dynamic being much better going forward (if they all live).
That could be the case regarding the Nights Watch and their vows now, but if those vows still hold would house Tarley pass on to Sam's younger sister? She was very fond of him and I could see that family dynamic being much better going forward (if they all live).
Sam's son, Sam would have title.
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. . . . to her and she comes back not only ready to accept the truce, but pledges Lannister troops to fight with the North. . . . Except;
