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Old 10-21-2013, 10:04 AM   #3381
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So the question is, did the two people die of their sickness, turned were killed then burned? Or did someone come in all gloves and masked up, finish them off then burn them?

Clearly there is a lot of blood coming from the room so they couldn't have been alive before he/she dragged them/
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they were killed and burned before they could die and turn
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I am not wholly convinced that it is one person acting out here. For the walker feeding, I would almost guess it is one of the kids treating them as pets, and feeling sorry for them. For the burned walkers, who knows? Something just like a suicide? I guess the girl turned and bit somebody and he just put themselves our of their misery before he turned. I know, kind of a wild theory, since they would probably still be moving about even if they were burned.
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So someone dumb it down for me and tell me why they dont have a couple people doing constant zombie killing inbetween the fences..easy kills and it tones down the mobs....seems simple to me...

Kill them easy style and then burn them....
Umm because then there would be no show.

For this show Fonzie landed on the otherside about a season ago.
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She also has poor/few lines. It's been kind of one long "what the hell" moment with her so far.

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For the walker feeding, I would almost guess it is one of the kids treating them as pets, and feeling sorry for them.
I think in the first episode, one of those two daughters thought of the walkers more as animals more than a something threatening. I think that was supposed to be the hint.

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For the burned walkers, who knows? Something just like a suicide? I guess the girl turned and bit somebody and he just put themselves our of their misery before he turned. I know, kind of a wild theory, since they would probably still be moving about even if they were burned.
Actually, I had the exact same thought. They'll spend several episodes doubting each other, then eventually resolve the story in a way that doesn't involve murder.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:06 AM   #3386
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ah, wouldn't be a Walking Dead thread without Bertuzzied complaining that the acting is terrible, the characters are annoying, and that the show jumped the Sharknado...and yet still dutifully watching under the premise of "I'm just killing time until Game of Thrones to starts up again".

that's why they call it a guilty pleasure. it's long been established that the show is flawed so I don't see the point dredging up the same complaints that everybody knows season after season. was anybody expecting the writing to suddenly become Breaking Bad good? hell no, but as long as millions of viewers are still tuning in, they're not gonna change a thing.
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ah, wouldn't be a Walking Dead thread without Bertuzzied complaining that the acting is terrible, the characters are annoying, and that the show jumped the Sharknado...and yet still dutifully watching under the premise of "I'm just killing time until Game of Thrones to starts up again".

that's why they call it a guilty pleasure. it's long been established that the show is flawed so I don't see the point dredging up the same complaints that everybody knows season after season. was anybody expecting the writing to suddenly become Breaking Bad good? hell no, but as long as millions of viewers are still tuning in, they're not gonna change a thing.
Why can't it be breaking bad good though? They can implement any actors they want into this show and considering the viewership is 4-5 times what Breaking Bad averaged why can't they bring in better writers?

I'll stop posting in this when the title is changed to "The Walking Fricking Dead" or the "Walking Dead Appreciation Thread" hehehehe

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The same reason we read comments at the bottom of YouTube videos and online news columns... the only thing better than alcohol is rageohol!

As for this season, I haven't come around yet. This seems slow, feels like they're taking forever to get to the point.

There seems to be a lot of bad decisions either on behalf of the writing staff or characters.

While the fence is a perimeter, why not set up the pointy stick contraptions, while low tech, they have been proven to work. An added fence against the walkers.

Why not lure out the walkers and dose them in gasoline?

Why hasn't anyone stepped up to lead? It seems like everyone is kind of doing their own thing.

I dunno, hopefully it gets better.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:15 PM   #3390
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At least Rick's back to wielding the iron.

I like the show even though there are more holes than Philly's netminding.

Although one stood out last night, when they went back in the prison and were killing freshly turned walkers, someone stomped the head of one of them and it splatted like a rotten melon. I'm thinking a freshly turned skull would be a little tougher than that. I swear half the scenes are just excuses to use disgusting special effects.
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It's a flu. The doctor said as much, the new doctor. That the hemorrhaging was from a virus...the flu. Hershel confirmed as much when Rick told him about the sick pig about how lots of flus can be passed from swine and fowl to humans.

Hershel didn't grow his leg back, they found a prosthetic limb while out scavenging and fashioned a boot to it for him. You can see it leaning up against the table in the first episode.

They had people out culling walkers at the fence in the first episode. Tyrese came out whining about how he couldn't stomach it. Carole mentioned how there seemed to be more than usual. Not to mention they just keep coming and they don't get tired. Then you add in feeding them...and you can't keep up.
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Done.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:46 PM   #3393
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Wow first episode they reveal a virus. Second episode someone gets infected, dies and kills 14 people in the prison, and people are still saying things are moving too slow? Not enough Ritalin in this world...
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At least Rick's back to wielding the iron.

I like the show even though there are more holes than Philly's netminding.

Although one stood out last night, when they went back in the prison and were killing freshly turned walkers, someone stomped the head of one of them and it splatted like a rotten melon. I'm thinking a freshly turned skull would be a little tougher than that. I swear half the scenes are just excuses to use disgusting special effects.
He only went pacifist for one episode!

Yeah, I was thinking about the freshly turned walkers being a bit too mushy also. It was sloppy, literally. The producers could have used that as an opportunity to get more creative with the kills (crunchy head stomps) . But, yeah, it was kind of a lazy oversight.

In fact, I think the soft, rotting skulls were kind of an ill-conceived attribute to give to them, considering the amount of strength the walkers have when it comes to biting. That the walkers can open their mouths at all without them breaking off, let alone grasping and tearing human flesh, is remarkable.

But... it is a zombie apocalypse show, and this is the Walking Dead appreciation thread.

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Really? I thought it was a whole season. Shows how well I pay attention to detail!
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Really? I thought it was a whole season. Shows how well I pay attention to detail!
Well... I guess to be fair he was incapacitated with his mental breakdown for a few episodes last season.
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I'm confused, are the people exposed in quarantine, or did they just completely forget about that during the rest of the episode as they co-mingle?
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Did Andrea die, I have already forgotten how, if she did? Also can't remember what was with Rick getting the gun back backstory.
Andrea died at the end of last season when she was locked in the torture room with zombie Milton.

I don't think there was anything about Rick and the gun. I think it was just showing that Rick was no longer the leader and didn't want to have to get his hands dirty after everything that went on. He no longer carried his gun and didn't want Carl to either because he was tired of making the tough choices which caused people to die. No more gun = No more rictatorship.

Now he has his gun back...
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The way the third season ended, I knew this show was falling in my pantheon, but it was still good enough to be a must watch, if PVRed and not an urgent watch.

I didn't mind the first two episodes. I like the slow build (as long as not glacial like season two) and there seemed to be some good scenes and acting. The piggy scene was definitely poignant.

But there does seem to be something missing. I think, at least for me, a lot of it has to do with the common sense plot holes many have talked about. Which of course only really get greater the longer you have a zombie show. As was mentioned, they have this great thriving community, but they didn't think to reinforce the fence? How hard is that? Or at least keep it clear. I know they talked about it, but you would think that would be priority number 1! Not, we'll get to it when we get the chance. Or, we killed 100 yesterday, that's enough. Guess what, you're only going to get more overwhelmed later, I would make sure every single one near the fence was killed. It's not like it's really tough. The characters are popping the zombie heads with the ease of balloons these days.

Secondly, they have known for a very long while that when people die, they change, so why didn't they incorporate some sort of buddy or check in system? You know one new zombie inside the walls is going to do a lot of damage, especially since the characters are basically trapped inside the prison because of the zombies outside. Plus, a lot of these people came from Woodbury, where (it appeared) they did have something like that. How could it not get brought up?

And of course, there are all the questions about the zombies themselves, but I'll leave that be, since complaining about zombies rules is a little silly when you have to suspend your belief just to accept the zombies to begin with. Actually I would like to bring one up, cause it broke it's own rules in the first episode. How do these zombies have the strength to overwhelm or even bite a human if they are basically falling apart? AND to that affect, how can they bite through clothes sometimes, but not other times? In the first episode when buddy is trapped under the shelf, a zombie is creeping up his pant leg to get at naked flesh. But another zombie bites right through the jeans of the guy who comes to help him. Why didn't the first zombie just bite the first guy through the jeans as well? Basically it comes down to because the writers wanted to kill one guy specifically and keep the other one alive specifically. But when you have those little breaks in the 'rules' it kinda ruins the believability of the show and the importance of life and death for the characters.

There's nothing wrong with fantasy and fiction and creating a different universe with different rules (aka zombies) but you gotta play by the rules you define. If you start messing with your own rules, then it screws up the whole thing.

For me, the zombies have always been a plot device more than anything. A plot device to have a post-apocalyptic show for one. To show human nature and how it might change in survival situations. To show how pockets of humanity could become tribalistic. What problems could arise in a budding society (ie disease, like the flu idea). All these bigger themes. So I was kinda hoping we'd see more about the world, how things are changing and moving forward, (or perhaps backwards). What people's plans are to reclaim the earth. Perhaps some new conflicts with other humans. (The Woodbury idea was really cool, just so poorly executed)

But all we've had for a while is kinda this hamster cage scenario. No progress, no new ideas, no plot advancement. Just watching these hamsters go round and round on their wheels with the occasional threat of danger. And our lens on what we see is so narrow it doesn't feel like there's much of a point.

Not saying we need to see characters all over the world doing different things, working towards an end goal, flashing back and forth between different groups, cities and towns. It doesn't have to be large in scope. I don't mind focusing on relationships, how people are handling the crisis, etc. Just that what we're left with right now is kinda just staring at a fish tank. The same thing is happening over and over. Zombie breach, rebuild. Zombie breach, rebuild. Zombie breach, rebuild. And the worst part is, for all the tricks the humans have learned and ways to adapt to the situation, they're still so dumb in other areas so the writers can throw in another zombie breach.
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the ongoing theme is that everybody loves parts of this show and wants the whole to be better, but it just isn't for one reason or another. I think it might be a little bit of the old Maple Leafs syndrome, where it's a juggernaut almost independent of the actual product, so the motivation to grow and improve might be secondary. my fear is that if ratings ever start to drop, rather than trying to clean up the writing, they go for quick fix gimmicks that result in brief gains but cheapen the experience even further.

for me this past episode was some kind of bizarre PETA nightmare. but the one scene where the daughters see their dad for the last time and fail to finish him off, that was one of the good parts that keeps me going despite all the other flaws. it really puts you in that situation and makes you ask yourself if you could get it done, or if you'd just crumble like that kid did.

with regards to the frequent question about why they didn't reinforce the prison better, I think about that board in Beth's cell that had 30 days without an accident or something. I don't know how much time has actually passed since Woodbury, but they'd been living in that prison for a quite a long time without any zombies getting through the fences, so I could chalk it up to complacency. but yeah, once they saw them all gathering at one spot, they should have looked into it a little bit more than not at all.
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