Stampeders/CFL Offseason Thread

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

The Riders exploit a weakness in the CFL game that makes their offense seem more talented than it really is. Durant and his sucess is the epitomy of the traditional CFL offense. Drop into the pocket and heave it up so far that only two things can happen:

Deep reception leading to a TD

or

An INT that looks bad on a QB's statsline, but in effect isn't so bad because he hucks it so far down the field it might as well have been a punt

The man is completely incapable of driving down the field 5-10 yeards at a time. Every team realizes this, but alas since the top CB's go to the NFL and the CDN ratio pretty much ensures that you have to have an inept or slow Canadian safety, it allows them the play this way. Exciting for the casual fan because a TD can happen on every play, akin to watching someone play with Jeremy Roenick in NHL '94 for football purist.

Good post - don't forget the other thing that happens, and SASK relies on - the pass interference call.

[arloiginla]

Originally Posted by troutman

Good post - don't forget the other thing that happens, and SASK relies on - the pass interference call.

The Riders receivers also push off more than any others and are offside on almost every play, but the CFL officials rarely call offensive PIF and usually miss the offsides.

It's sad that my two favourite leagues to follow and watch (CFL, NHL) are both becoming unwatchable due to a combination of bush league officiating and what seems to be an agenda to ensure certain teams are successful over others.

It's mixed feelings about the upcoming CFL season - excited because I love football and the Stamps are looking strong again...but also apprehension at devoting money and time toward a league that I feel has burned me personally and taken advantage of my support in the past.

Do you ignore the warts and enjoy the games, or do you take a stand and love the game but refuse to support the league?

[Cheese]

Seems that Jesse doesnt think hes done.

Lumsden Eyeing a return

I wonder if he'd do better as a tight end or slotback? Maybe his body wouldnt take the same beating and he could still make his power moves downfield.

[Flickered Flame]

Esks cut DB Lawrence Gordon and DE Kenny Pettway. I wouldn't mind the Stamps taking a look at Gordon.

[Mango]

Just got a note from the Canadian Press that Lumsden will have a presser tomorrow where he'll announce he's hanging them up. He will continue with bobseld. Henry Burris and Pierre Lueders will both be on hand.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by troutman

Good post - don't forget the other thing that happens, and SASK relies on - the pass interference call.

That too. It's really funny how basic their offense is, and how hard it is to defend it for 4 quarters even when you know it's coming. Somewhere, somehow there's going to be 3 completed deep bombs every game (basically the only mistakes a defence makes in a game become TD's).

Conversely, the Stamps try to run a possesion offense with recievers like Lewis, and good RB's like Reynolds and Cornish. This is the type of offense that good teams employ in the NFL. Wear down the defense, keep the other team's offense off the field. Masters of misdirection. Domination.

The reason why the Stamps have trouble getting over the hump is the nature of this offense. When everyone executes, and you have the most talented guys on the field it works flawlessly (They can do this 10-12 times a year). However to win in big games it demands a level of perfection unattainable at the CFL level, due to one less down, CDN ratios, limits on offseason preparation and practice hours during the season vs a truly professional environment like the NFL.

For the Stamps one dropped pass or blown block among a 10 play drive unhinges an entire possession whereas with the Riders, one low percentage bomb scores a TD or generates a PI call deep in enemy territory. Sandlot football, but hey anything can happen!

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by troutman

Good post - don't forget the other thing that happens, and SASK relies on - the pass interference call.

PI happens when you get beat. For 2 years they have had a basically unstoppable play. They have tall and fast Slots. When they run a deep post it's impossible for the def half or S to defend so long as the ball is far enough to the sideline.

It's not that they rely on the penalty, they rely on the fact that nobody can stop that route, and when they cant they try to cheat. DB's do it, LB's do it, and lineman do it. You teach 14 year olds how to cheat as they are getting beat, it's part of the game.

The refs have not treated Sk favorably, sure a game here and there they may get a break but every team in the league has that, they are not special.

[PeteLFan]

The Riders get the most BS calls in the CFL, and its not even close. Look no further then the screw job in the west final.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

The Riders get the most BS calls in the CFL, and its not even close. Look no further then the screw job in the west final.

You can't prove a trend with a sample of one.

Anyway many stamp fans feel this way. In related news the fans of every team think the refs hate them.

Many cfl fans confuse bad officiating with biased officiating. Cfl is low budget and Canadian refs don't get much practice at that speed.
There was no screw job. The stamps played like crap and were beat.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Anyway many stamp fans feel this way. In related news the fans of every team think the refs hate them.

Fans of every team all think the Riders benefit from favourable officiating. It's no secret the league desperately wanted them in the Grey Cup. The Stamps knew it, the Als knew it, fans around the league know it.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Fans of every team all think the Riders benefit from favourable officiating. It's no secret the league desperately wanted them in the Grey Cup. The Stamps knew it, the Als knew it, fans around the league know it.

Well then why didn't they win?

And on what basis do the stamps and ALS know it? Did they hold press conferences? Or do you mean hockey fans that have a passing understanding of football vent and whine when things don't go their way?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

PI happens when you get beat. For 2 years they have had a basically unstoppable play. They have tall and fast Slots. When they run a deep post it's impossible for the def half or S to defend so long as the ball is far enough to the sideline.

It's not that they rely on the penalty, they rely on the fact that nobody can stop that route, and when they cant they try to cheat. DB's do it, LB's do it, and lineman do it. You teach 14 year olds how to cheat as they are getting beat, it's part of the game.

The refs have not treated Sk favorably, sure a game here and there they may get a break but every team in the league has that, they are not special.

I don't believe like others that the refs favor the Riders. I do think the penalty for PI is too harsh. It should be 15 yards and a first down. That's it. Durant throws up plenty of airballs, and gets bailed out by PI calls.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by troutman

I don't believe like others that the refs favor the Riders. I do think the penalty for PI is too harsh. It should be 15 yards and a first down. That's it. Durant throws up plenty of airballs, and gets bailed out by PI calls.

Ya it is harsh, the problem with making it 15 yards is then wr's would be molested as they go deep because it's only 15 yards instead of the depth of the route.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

PI happens when you get beat. For 2 years they have had a basically unstoppable play. They have tall and fast Slots. When they run a deep post it's impossible for the def half or S to defend so long as the ball is far enough to the sideline.

WHo do they have that are tall and fast?

Dressler is tiny, Fantusz is slow, Bagg is about 6'0.

The Riders definitely get favorable calls and push off on basically every route. Not sure how anyone can say the league doesn't want them to win after the horsecrap reffing in the Western final. It wasn't bad reffing that had the league not call the clear fumble on a replay.

The reason the Riders didn't win it all is because the league/refs can only do so much they can't prevent Durant from continually making stupid throws to the defense.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

You can't prove a trend with a sample of one.

Anyway many stamp fans feel this way. In related news the fans of every team think the refs hate them.

Many cfl fans confuse bad officiating with biased officiating. Cfl is low budget and Canadian refs don't get much practice at that speed.
There was no screw job. The stamps played like crap and were beat.

The thing is the Stampeders did not play like crap, they played alright. The problem is its not like the Riders imposed there will, came in with a top plan, and executed and out worked us. They benefited from numerous blunders/bs calls from the refs. I can accept the loss, and say it was poorly officiated, but when the other team only has officiating to hang on to as the reason they won then its not right. We didn't get outplayed, if anything with BS reffing, the game was even.

Montreal is a lucky team, they had a great season 15-3 in 2009, and a okay season last year. If the Stamps made the finals last year, we would have won. Montreal plays great, then they get to the grey cup and put up a stinker, its fortunate for them that the Riders where more inept then them in the big show.

[Beerfest]

Im really looking forward to July 1st, its an awesome day.

Canada Day/CFL season starts/NHL free agency begins/Family golf tournament

Only a month and half away!

[troutman]

http://www.stampeders.com/news_blogs/news/?id=4262

The Calgary Stampeders have acquired import receiver Reggie McNeal and non-import defensive tackle Adrian Davis from the Toronto Argonauts in exchange for import receiver P.K. Sam and non-import defensive lineman Miguel Robede

The teams also traded one player off each of their negotiation lists.

[Swayze11]

sad to see Robede leave, I really liked him. Very happy to see McNeal, especially at the expense of PK Sam.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.stampeders.com/news_blogs/news/?id=4262

The Calgary Stampeders have acquired import receiver Reggie McNeal and non-import defensive tackle Adrian Davis from the Toronto Argonauts in exchange for import receiver P.K. Sam and non-import defensive lineman Miguel Robede

The teams also traded one player off each of their negotiation lists.

Didn't we trade Copeland for Sam?