Tiger Woods "Transgressions" Thread - Golfin' Ain't Easy

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What I find odd is how much evidence there is... it almost sounds like a shake down by either his lovers, wife, or all of them.

Nah, it's just evidence of how stupid he really is.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Well, if it wasn't going to be you, it would probably be someone else. If a married person wants to cheat, then they will until they find someone who goes through with it.... so, it might as well be you!

Of course, I am not totally serious... that it should be you, but I wouldn't put the fault on you for hurting the marriage.

I've been in a similar situation and when it came down to it, I just didn't think it would be worth the drama. It's not like it's that hard to get laid that any opportunity must be taken.

I agree that it takes 2 people to cause an affair. There's also the self esteem issues and great depression that the person who has been cheated on goes through. My sister battled that part for a long time when she found out for her ex was cheating on her. It was what did I do to cause him to cheat or did I not show and give him enough love. It was neither bit it took her along time to realise that. My niece and nephew were affected by it also. My nephew has zero respect for his father. It's shame those that decide to enter into an affair aren't aware of the damage they can cause.

[Sagel]

Originally Posted by Dion

I've lost all respect for the guy. Any guy who would cheat on his wife is pond scum. Temptation happens to everyone not just the athletes. It's a cop out to say it's tough to be true when women are throwing themselves at you. Either you have strong morals or you don't.

The person I feel sorry for is Tigers wife and his kids. Trust was broken and i'm not sure it can be regained. If divorce happens I hope she takes him to the cleaners.

Agree completely.

I goes to show that you can have all the money, fame, and success in the world and still be a miserable. Tiger said to those girls that he wasn't happy in marriage -- maybe he should tell his wife that instead of the girl selling him drinks. Everyone mentions that she should have known better, but Tiger's the one who screwed up.

Did anyone else mention that article on T.O. at sportsnet yesterday (http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/2009/12/02/lefko_owens_tiger/)? I never thought about it before but athletes must take workshops on the pressures and temptations that go along with their profession. Guess Tiger skipped the one on cheating.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

It was clearly a joke. I respect that you can control your urges and respect the sanctity of marriage.

However, comparing temptations that you face to what Tiger Woods probably faces on a daily basis just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You're in a different world.

Slipping once or even twice, is a lot different than having multiple long term affairs (which is what Woods has appeared to have). Tiger obviously has no problem turning off the guilt button.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

People with strong morals can make mistakes.

No they dont. People with weak morals act normally. People with strong moral convictions stand out as odd because they dont follow the norm.

He obviously didnt have stong morals.

I wonder if Elin is doing an Earl Woods SNL cha ching, cha ching.

Hopefully she doesnt play the good wife and seeks out a divorce attorney. People like that dont deserve second chances.

I will still buy TW Nike merchandise, but thats only because it looks and feels 100X better than any other golf apparel. And I will still cheer for him to beat tubby Mickelson.

[flamesflames444]

I dont condone it... but when you are the most powerful athlete in the world...it is hard to resist temptation sometimes... when hundreds upon hundreds of gorgeous women are throwing themselves at you...the man is human after all!

[Hustle]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

No they dont. People with weak morals act normally. People with strong moral convictions stand out as odd because they dont follow the norm.

If that's the case.. then nobody has strong moral conviction because everybody screws up and generally follows the norm.

FWIW, I do think Tiger was an idiot when it comes to his actions.. but I think it's silly for people here to be comparing thier actions/experiences to Tiger's. Like it or not, he lives in a completely different world.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by flamesflames444

I dont condone it... but when you are the most powerful athlete in the world...it is hard to resist temptation sometimes... when hundreds upon hundreds of gorgeous women are throwing themselves at you...the man is human after all!

... who obviously doesn't have a guilty conscience.... because he apparently kept doing it again and again. I know that if I had ever cheated on my wife, the guilt would just about kill me... Tiger apparently doesn't have that problem.

[troutman]

Who knows? Maybe they had an understanding like many athletes/wives might have? ex. I know you are going to cheat, just keep it quiet and don't embarrass me.

[4X4]

Booo! I liked the old thread title better

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Rerun

... who obviously doesn't have a guilty conscience.... because he apparently kept doing it again and again. I know that if I had ever cheated on my wife, the guilt would just about kill me... Tiger apparently doesn't have that problem.

Tigers just ticked off he got caught and was forced into making an apology. In fact he's probably wishing he didn't crash his vehicle in the first place causing all that media attention.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Hustle

If that's the case.. then nobody has strong moral conviction because everybody screws up and generally follows the norm.

FWIW, I do think Tiger was an idiot when it comes to his actions.. but I think it's silly for people here to be comparing thier actions/experiences to Tiger's. Like it or not, he lives in a completely different world.

I disagree. They dont screw up like that. Everyone on earth screws up a little, gets fired, buys something he/she shouldnt. But cheating on your wife, its not a little transgression.

FYI - most people who say they have strong moral convictions (like politicians) dont. They are normal, they endulge in things they shouldnt and do things they shouldnt. Tiger didnt make a mistake, he chose to act disgracefully and it has embarrased his family and he deserves no sympathy from anyone whatsoever.

If it was just that butterface workout chick that was first mentioned I could have made an excuse for him that maybe Elin didnt let him play the back 9 and that dirty skank did, now with 3, its not a mistake but a pattern of brattish behaviour.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Dion

It wasn't a joke but an uncalled for insult.

It was pretty clearly a joke.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by troutman

Who knows? Maybe they had an understanding like many athletes/wives might have? ex. I know you are going to cheat, just keep it quiet and don't embarrass me.

While I doubt there was an arrangement as formal as AK47 with the Utah Jazz, I am sure Elin knew of things before and let them slide because of the money and because no one knew about it. I really hope she doesnt play the good wife. He deserves nothing less than divorce if this is all true.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I really hope she doesnt play the good wife. He deserves nothing less than divorce if this is all true.

They do have children together, and that has to be their first consideration.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

No they dont. People with weak morals act normally. People with strong moral convictions stand out as odd because they dont follow the norm.

He obviously didnt have stong morals.

It's not black or white, its a spectrum. All people are fallible. Even the best people suffer the occasional bout of unbelievably bad judgement and decision making. Fidelity in marriage falls well within the spectrum of normal morality in western society, I think, and is not generally considered odd. Whether we only play lip service to that morality or uphold it as an unattainable ideal as a whole is another topic for debate

The thing that sets the alleged claims apart here though, its that its pervasive and calculated, which would indicate a highly deficient moral character.

[kevman]

I think you're all missing the real moral of the story here...

For safety reasons, when parking, always back in since it's easier and faster to get going!

[Hustle]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I disagree. They dont screw up like that. Everyone on earth screws up a little, gets fired, buys something he/she shouldnt. But cheating on your wife, its not a little transgression.

FYI - most people who say they have strong moral convictions (like politicians) dont. They are normal, they endulge in things they shouldnt and do things they shouldnt. Tiger didnt make a mistake, he chose to act disgracefully and it has embarrased his family and he deserves no sympathy from anyone whatsoever.

Fair enough.. I can't argue with that.

I'm not saying what he did was right at all. It clearly wasn't. I just think it's interesting when people (not anybody on CP.. this is more of a general statement) chastize the guy with the reasoning that "well I wouldn't do that." That's all well and good.. but I'd like to see what would happen if people lived a week in Tiger's shoes. (I'm not saying anybody should feel bad for him... it's just a different life). Somehow I don't think their behavior and mannerisms would be as squeaky clean as they would lead you to believe.

It's more an indication of what our society is like.. money and power dictate us.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Hustle

If that's the case.. then nobody has strong moral conviction because everybody screws up and generally follows the norm.

FWIW, I do think Tiger was an idiot when it comes to his actions.. but I think it's silly for people here to be comparing thier actions/experiences to Tiger's. Like it or not, he lives in a completely different world.

As per the statistics below, Tiger is actually pretty normal as far as letting libido do his thinking is concerned.

Recent studies reveal that 45-55% of married women and 50-60% of married men engage in extramarital sex at some time or another during their relationship (Atwood & Schwartz, 2002 - Journal of Couple & Relationship Therapy)

I'm coming up on a 25th anniversary and have never been unfaithful.

Nevertheless . . . .

If you're married that long, even if you're just standing there playing pocket pool and minding your own business, you've been in the position where attractive women will have chatted you up a bit at one time or another when the wife is out of sight.

Same as Tiger.

It's flattering to the ego, can't deny that . . . . . but there always comes a certain, decisive moment where you have to decide between "yes" or "no," where something that qualifies as both innocuous/irritating but also flattering goes to the next step . . . . . the point where Tiger crossed a generally recognized societal moral line, then found it pretty easy from there to expand upon his "transgressions."

He took that step, he was okay with it and now it's three women at least.

He couldn't walk away satisfied with a mere ego stroking. Bad boy. Bad Tiger.

Statistically, however, just to be clear, Tiger is more normal than I am.

His apology was best summarized by the wonderfully irrascible Andrea Peyser in the New York Post. . . . .

Translating the Tiger:
"I have let my family down."
I've been a bad boy. Hey, it was fun while it lasted!

"And I regret those transgression with all of my heart."
I regret getting caught. The heart, by the way, is not the organ with which I have issues, but you get my drift.

"I have not been true to my values and the behavior my family deserves . . . I am dealing with my behavior and personal failings behind closed doors with my family."
I'll deal with it if Elin lets me live to see morning.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...KVBj47anUoMkhN

Cowperson

[Dion]

Originally Posted by troutman

They do have children together, and that has to be their first consideration.

But you also have to consider the emotional damage and the message it sends to the kids if Elin chooses to ignore the transgressions and stay in the marraige.