BCS Standings

[JayP]

Congrats to LSU.

A Plus one is a must

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by JayP

Congrats to LSU.

A Plus one is a must

Would have been very interesting with USC and Georgia in the mix.

Again Ohio State fails to come to the table... or maybe the Big 11 is just not on the same level as other major conferences anymore.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by JayP

Congrats to LSU.

A Plus one is a must

Chris Fowler on ESPN mentioned that it is the PAC-10 and Big Ten that are resoundingly against the plus one format.

I find that odd, considering it could have led to two appearances by USC against LSU in both of their championship seasons.

Then again, they are the only conferences out of the six BCS conferences that do not have a championship game. What gives?

[Montana Moe]

Final AP Poll:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

1. LSU (60) 12-2 1,620
2. Georgia (3) 11-2 1,515
3. USC (1) 11-2 1,500
4. Missouri 12-2 1,347
5. Ohio State 11-2 1,346
6. West Virginia 11-2 1,342
7. Kansas (1) 12-1 1,303
8. Oklahoma 11-3 1,139
9. Virginia Tech 11-3 1,096
10. Texas 10-3 962
10. Boston College 11-3 962
12. Tennessee 10-4 904
13. Florida 9-4 685
14. Brigham Young 11-2 654
15. Auburn 9-4 648
16. Arizona State 10-3 587
17. Cincinnati 10-3 566
18. Michigan 9-4 508
19. Hawaii 12-1 460
20. Illinois 9-4 443
21. Clemson 9-4 353
22. Texas Tech 9-4 308
23. Oregon 9-4 253
24. Wisconsin 9-4 202
25. Oregon State 9-4 110

LSU played and defeated 5 teams in the final AP top 25 (Ohio St., Tennessee, Auburn, Florida, Va. Tech)

Georgia played and defeated 3 (Florida, Auburn, Hawaii)

USC played and defeated 3 (Oregon State, Arizona State, Illinois)

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Chris Fowler on ESPN mentioned that it is the PAC-10 and Big Ten that are resoundingly against the plus one format.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ure/index.html

A very good article on the subject.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Final AP Poll:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

1. LSU (60) 12-2 1,620
2. Georgia (3) 11-2 1,515
3. USC (1) 11-2 1,500
4. Missouri 12-2 1,347
5. Ohio State 11-2 1,346
6. West Virginia 11-2 1,342
7. Kansas (1) 12-1 1,303
8. Oklahoma 11-3 1,139
9. Virginia Tech 11-3 1,096
10. Texas 10-3 962
10. Boston College 11-3 962
12. Tennessee 10-4 904
13. Florida 9-4 685
14. Brigham Young 11-2 654
15. Auburn 9-4 648
16. Arizona State 10-3 587
17. Cincinnati 10-3 566
18. Michigan 9-4 508
19. Hawaii 12-1 460
20. Illinois 9-4 443
21. Clemson 9-4 353
22. Texas Tech 9-4 308
23. Oregon 9-4 253
24. Wisconsin 9-4 202
25. Oregon State 9-4 110

LSU played and defeated 5 teams in the final AP top 25 (Ohio St., Tennessee, Auburn, Florida, Va. Tech)

Georgia played and defeated 3 (Florida, Auburn, Hawaii)

USC played and defeated 3 (Oregon State, Arizona State, Illinois)

How do Michigan and Florida finish with the same record, but Michigan beats Florida in a bowl game and they still finish 5 spots behind them. Voters are morons.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by JayP

How do Michigan and Florida finish with the same record, but Michigan beats Florida in a bowl game and they still finish 5 spots behind them. Voters are morons.

Agreed, especially when you consider thier places in the conference standings. Michigan finished 3rd in the Big Ten, Florida was third in the Eastern Division of the SEC, fifth overall.
I just think losing to App. State was going to kill any chance of a decent ranking for Michigan. Also, having the top two teams in your conference having less than stellar showings in their bowl games deflates the other teams in the conference in voters eyes.

I believe if USC had lost to Arizona State, or even Oregon State instead of Stanford, they would have finished #2 overall. If one of LSU's losses was to Ole Miss or Vanderbilt instead of Kentucky, they likely would not have been playing in that game last night. It's all so subjective.

An alternative put forth by the Georgia President, 8 team playoff.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3186232

Pac-10 fans would likely have to remove a conference game thus rendering thier "round robin" argument moot.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by JayP

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ure/index.html

A very good article on the subject.

Even with plus 1 how do you determine that?
It's not automatically USC and Georgia.
Mizzou smacked Arkansas and UWV smoked Oklahoma. They were #1 and #2 respectively going into the final week of the season.

I don't mind the way it is now but the BCS formula itself must be improved so we don't get Ohio State from a weak Big 10 conference in the championship every year.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I don't mind the way it is now but the BCS formula itself must be improved so we don't get Ohio State from a weak Big 10 conference in the championship every year.

But they had the #1 Defense...

Edit: Why do they always have to have James Carville representing LSU alumni on television? He hurts my head.

[Gugstanley]

The BCS is just a revenue generator. They don't care about a national champion. I didn't bother watching any games and won't until a playoff

[transplant99]

That LSU victory was nothing short of a beat down once they got their bearings.

Again, OSU shows why the whole system is flawed and a playoff series almost a necessity.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That LSU victory was nothing short of a beat down once they got their bearings.

I would disagree.

Ohio State finished with the total yards edge at the end of the game still. If they didn't take stupid penalties the game likely finishes a one score game (probably still in LSU's favor). They had two drives in the second half where they committed 2 personal foul calls (one with roughing the kicker/unnecessary roughness and one with two unnecessary roughness calls). That swings momentum heavily and forces LSU to move 30-40 yards for a TD (instead of long FG range).

If Ohio State doesn't take stupid, uncharacteristic penalties that's a close game. LSU still wins though.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Even with plus 1 how do you determine that?
It's not automatically USC and Georgia.
Mizzou smacked Arkansas and UWV smoked Oklahoma. They were #1 and #2 respectively going into the final week of the season.

I don't mind the way it is now but the BCS formula itself must be improved so we don't get Ohio State from a weak Big 10 conference in the championship every year.

Mizzou over WVU.

Mizzou lost both their games to top 10 OU. WVU lost to Pitt. End of story.

Regardless, in a plus-one system the LSU/OSU game last night wouldn't have existed and neither would any of the other BCS games. Ohio State would've played USC in the Rose Bowl and LSU would've been in the Fiesta Bowl against an at-large.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by JayP

Mizzou over WVU.

Mizzou lost both their games to top 10 OU. WVU lost to Pitt. End of story.

USC lost to Stanford

Where does Kansas fit in all this? they only lost one game.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

USC lost to Stanford

Where does Kansas fit in all this? they only lost one game.

To Mizzou...right?

[JayP]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

USC lost to Stanford

Where does Kansas fit in all this? they only lost one game.

USC is quite simply a better football team than WVU though. They're better on paper and they're better on the field.

Either way, a loss to Oregon (w/ Dixon) >>> a loss to USF.

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by Gugstanley

The BCS is just a revenue generator. They don't care about a national champion. I didn't bother watching any games and won't until a playoff

I don't understand why the BCS would generate more money then an 8 team playoff. None of the other BCS games meant anything an I only tuned in when I wasn't doing something. As the theoretical playoffs progressed into the semis and finals they would only get more intriguing. Rather then have 31 meaningless games the only thing happening between the last meaningful regular season game and the Championship game a full monthlater.

[Gugstanley]

[quote=CrusaderPi;1137945]I don't understand why the BCS would generate more money then an 8 team playoff.


I agree with you. What I meant was the BCS doesn't give us a true winner in college football so the only purpose really of those games is to generate revenue.

A playoff would create a lot of interest and my preference would be a 16 team format including the 11 conference champs and 5 at large teams.

Bowl games can still be played. A lot of us watch most bowl games just because we like college football so I think they will get the exact same attention that get every year. When the game is on it gets watched after it ends we forget about it.

[Flames in 07]

I think any format creates a NC that has a astrix or question mark beside it. Absolutely nobody was of true NC caliber this year, no matter how you rank them or play them off. I would agree though that it's time for the Big 10 to quit having free rides into the final game.

The reality is that all teams have warts this year. People are way to fixated on the NC, even the alumni and fans in the markets care less about NC's that people on this forum do. Enjoy the games, anyone see the Las Vegas Bowl? The Vols game? the Purdue game?

[moon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

USC lost to Stanford

USC's back-ups lost to Stanford. Sure they still should have beat them and but that loss is much not nearly as bad as others when you look at who was playing on the O-line and as DB's for the Trojans.

It didn't really look that any team deserved to be the NC this year. Whether because of injuries, inexperience or just poor play there was no team that stood out and certainly no team that stood above the rest.

LSU gets to credit themselves with the "title" and say they are the best, something they seem to have no problem doing in the past depsite it being obvious there are better teams.

Next year if everyone can stay healthy it looks like there will be a lot of solid teams and a very good chance of getting a legit national champion again.